>>/keepittoonethread/

  >>2521376

I personally hope that, unless it's amazing, it bombs.

Not out of hate for it, but because, if it gets adapted into a series, it'll take resources away from FiM.

>>2521380
Doubtful. DHX has a lot of employees. I doubt that if EQG became a TV series that they'd force the FIM staff to do it. They'd probably just get some other "B-team" to work on it, especially seeing as the general style of it is a lot different than FIM. (from what Hasbro seems to be saying.)

>>2521380
I personally would rather have 2 great shows compared to 1 amazing one.

But that's just my opinion.

>>2521381
but they are aware the staff of ponies will bring them success for all the ponies stuff.
so just give them a bigger check and they will just do like their job

A bowl of healthy fruit?

No way this takes place in most public high schools!

>>2521382
Seeing as "amazing" TV shows are few and far between, I'd rather have 1 amazing than 2 great.

>>2521382
but it isnt like they are totally different shows to have variations.

is like having transformers prime, and transformers "energon Girls"

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>>2521385
But if the amazing one eventually crumbles then you'll be left with nothing. Having a second show as a back-up is always nice.

Though then again I already do kind of have a few back ups.

>>2521386
Except that analogy goes right over my head as I don't watch Transformers.

>>2521386
What about Transformers Prime and Transformers Rescue Bots?

Lets do this Hasbro

I'm ready

Well, to be honest...

I'm looking forward to it. There's certainly more than enough room to make something awesome out of all of this and I'm beginning to feel that the surface story elements probably aren't all that's going on here/

>>2521388
thouse are series considered amazing and are directly related?

like one day the prime optimus travel to a portal to happy chibi world?

and you feel it is worth it having the 2?

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>>2521391
I thought you were just talking about variations of the same franchise.

>>2521391
>like one day the prime optimus travel to a portal to happy chibi world?
That sounds fucking awesome!

>>2521392
no, because even i didnt said it,
Transformers "Energon Girls" have the actual prime optimus falling in a worm hole with the old spark, turning her in a teen age girls, and having to fight her worst challenge... High school.

The old spark is turned into the crown of the princess of the prom, so optimus have to learn to be a pretty girl and win it, with the help of the human girl version of all her autobots teammates, but she will have to defeate one of the lost megatron´s exgeneral.

if optimus fail, the 2 dimensions will be on danger.

>>2521394
>Transformers "Energon Girls"

i'd watch it

>>2521394
So are you trying to convince me this would be a bad idea? Cause if you are, you are doing a horrible job.

>>2521394
Except Transformers and My Little Pony have completely different settings, genre, demographic, etc. which prevents that from being a fair, compatible analogy.

It'd be like trying to come up with a different idea for a MLP movie, like how in our world a girl named Megan Williams inherited a book from her grandmother about the legend of the Elements of Harmony. Then she finds herself caught up in an epic struggle between the ponies and the changelings, who came to our world to find the Elements. The ponies get Megan's help because the book contains a prophecy on where to find the Elements, which got sent to the human world. It turns out the military had found it along with Chrysalis' body, which was cryogenically frozen, back in the early 19th century, and built the Hoover dam to hide both. This leads to an all out brawl between the changelings vs. the ponies with the U.S. military. Buildings explode, changelings explode, and ponies explode! Twilight and Chrysalis fight, and just when Twilight is about to be killed, Meghan shoves the Elements down Chrysalis' throat, causing them and her to explode!

>>2521396
not going to try because is all suggestive.

probably a lot of people will think having a farting discord episode will be a great idea, while others will think that is stupid.

>>2521398
>probably a lot of people will think having a farting discord episode will be a great idea, while others will think that is stupid.
But in the end what people think of the idea won't matter once it has been released. Execution will be the part that matters and that's how people will judge the episode.

>>2521399

>a farting discord episode will be a great idea
>execution will be the part that matters

>>2521400
Well we don't know the context behind the farts...

I'm just going to quit while I'm behind

>>2521400
Well what kind of farts are we dealing with? Loud farts? Silent but deadly farts? That's crucial to the plot!

>>2521401
It's funny because you post as a skunk now.

I can't seem to find that "How do you know it's shit? It's not even out yet" comic. You guys will just have to pretend I posted it unless someone else can provide it.

>>2521403
I try my best to show each of the pets equal amounts of time in my posts, it just happens that Pepper generally has the most fitting reaction.

  >>2521402

Queefs.

>>2521404
That's because Pepper is best pet. So... stick with Pepper.

>>2521406
I couldn't pick a favorite pet if my life depended on it. So I'll stick to slowly growing the folders for all of the characters.

The correct answer ofcourse is Pepper.

The LPS staff had a meeting last month, possibly to talk about the possibility of a 3rd season. I hope they got it.

>>2521407
Well, at least I can start following you around and collecting pics of the pets. Kinda could use some more.

  This thread has now been taken over by LPS

>>2521408
I sure hope so as well.

>best LPS quote

  >>2521410
You mislinked on that one. XD

  >>2521411
Though that line ain't bad, I can think of plenty better than that one off the top of my head.

  >>2521412
Well, that one was the one where I realized 'this is going to be a fun show.' Though, it does have others as well.

(it's Zoe's line in this one I mean)

I've never seen a single episode of LPS :3

>>2521414
Stop being wrong, and watch S1. You might like it.

  >>2521414
You really should at least give it a try.

>>2521415

I started watching a slew of new shows recently.

Panty and Stocking (but its too short)
One Piece (but its too long)
Toriko (Idk bout this one...its goddamn silly)

>>2521416

Of course I will

  >>2521418
Yeah. I will say it's not as good as pony, but it really is a fun series that deserves to be seen. Also, Danny Ingrem is doing the music, so that's something.

>>2521419
I personally enjoy LPS more than ponies (hence why I post as them now). Waited the whole first season before deciding which I preferred.

>>2521420
Eh, I couldn't stand the first two episodes, and though I've heard they get better, LPS doesn't have the infrastructure that encouraged me to choke down the MLP pilots and Ticket Master.

>>2521420
Eh, I find it has more misses than MLP does. Though weirdly, whenever there was an episode of MLP I didn't like, the episode of LPS that premiered after would be really good. Strange how that happened.

Anyway, I just feel MLP is more consistently good and has more aspects to it's world that I find interesting. (Also, aside from the dad and Mrs Twombly, not many human characters I really like or care about all that much.)

>>2521421
I would recommend giving one of middle episodes a shot. The pilots are just sort of there as exposition.

>>2521422
Out of the 26 episodes of S1, there wasn't a single one that I thought was below great. So yeah, I have fairly high opinions of the show.

Just dropping this here, greetings from /mlp/.

>>2521424
what a surprise. probably could became current character.

>>2521424
Nothing that really terrifies me here.

In fact this pretty much alleviated many of my concerns about the character.

I'm hoping the writers actually decided to do something relatively unique and entertaining with him.

>>2521376
Maybe we should take all the EqG posts and push them into a separate /EqG/ forum in order to better facilitate it not being part of the canon.

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>>2521427

But it is canon. How could it be anything but canon?

>>2521428
Didn't we have some official source somewhere say that it was actually considered a non-canonical spinoff?

>>2521429
I think the only thing said was that it wouldnt affect season 4 afaik

I still haven't seen the trailer, and I've been avoiding these threads like the plague, so forgive me if this has already been discussed to death, but there's one thing I really want to get out about this whole thing.

People say "If EqG sucks, let it suck. It's not like it affects canon at all." But there's one problem. It may not be the canon universe, but it is still canon Twilight. Here's what I mean. I don't really know anything about this "Brad" (again, haven't watched the trailer so just ignore me if I'm not making sense), but let's imagine the worst case scenario and say that Twilight bumps into him, they meet, and I dunno, Twilight gets googoo-eyed and things get romantic. This wouldn't be harmless to canon, it would mean that unless Twilight is really an anthrophile Twilight is that close to having a real love interest in canon. We'd have to accept that if Twilight bumped into an attractive pony under similar circumstances, the same thing could happen.

Now like I said, that's just the worst case scenario. But the underlying problem is still there. My woefully uninformed guess is that the chances of a romantic subplot is high, and more importantly the chances of Twilight being active in it is pretty close to 50/50. If that occurs, we'll have no choice but to accept that this is also true of Twilight in canon. It may never ever be touched upon in the show, or by the creators, but we'll know.

And before anyone gets on me about it, I'm not saying "It's terrible that it might be possible for Twilight to have romantic feelings", I'm saying that any romantic feelings she could gain for someone in the context of this movie would most likely be really stupid and underdeveloped, which would negatively affect Friendship is Magic by its mere possibility in canon.

>>2521431
tl;dr Even if it's a non-canon spinoff, it's still canon Twilight, so anything revealed of her in EqG will be true in canon. Ergo, this movie can possibly have a negative effect on canon, even if nothing more than our perception of it.

>>2521432
No, if its a non-canon spinoff then they are non-canon representations of her character and personality.

>>2521433
the events could be just linked or something.

Meghan McCarthy reveals the name of the "Brad" character.

>>2521435
I think I'll just continue calling him Brad until we hear his real name.

>>2521435
at least is not named "flowerbloom screw"

>>2521397
I would Watch both Michael Bay's My Little Pony and Transformers: Energon Girls, seriously both sound just as awesome.

Nope.

>>2521439

I wanna watch Dictator Girls.

>>2521438
well, i can imagine a fim episode doing all that, except for the exploding pars and the military...
maybe cops with walkie talkies instead

>>2521435
I thought it was Edward Cullen

Hey everyone, I was wondering if you could help me out with this question.
What is Angel in the Equestria Girls dimension? Still a bunny?

>>2521443
Probably. He doesn't have any reason to be something else in the human world, unlike Twilight the alicorn or Spike the dragon.

>>2521444
if he even exist...

well, at the mlpeg.com they returnet to put spoilers on the site. so yea, they just removed it because... some one was drunk i guess.

>>2521446
I think they added a video of the trailer when they brought human Twilight back. I guess it was just a file that got removed when reworking the site or something.

>>2521447
still, we are going to see spoilers the rest of something became announced.

thats the marketing department way

>>2521443
>>2521444
>>2521445
Will he even make an appearance though?
I dunno, I'd say he'd be a bird. A duck perhaps.

>>2521449
well....
im pretty sure the equestria girls need a little pet like an accesory, so probably each one will have his own pet of some kind...
even then i think bringing something like that could be a little forced and derail from the main story. and dont sound like something i could consider 100% necesary to add it to the accesories.

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>>2521449
Why would he be a duck?

>>2521451
Monkey Island reference
http://www.miwiki.net/Skull_Island

I'll watch it if Spike humps Rarity's leg.

>>2521443
A plate of welsh rarebit that fluttershy talks to as if it was alive. It's really disturbing.

>>2521453

>>2521443
Wait, wait, wait. Fruit Salad You So Crazy EG!Fluttershy. what?

Hey... what if the entire story turns out to be a fanfiction written by Lyra?

>>2521457
Shyamalan would sue for breach of patents, as they clearly are stealing from his magical, stupid twists hat.

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>>2521458
>implying that would not be a perfect ending

>>2521457

What a twist!

>>2521460

>>2521461
that doesnt count like some king of vore?

>>2521456
I make weird stuff when excited. (The EQ trailer happened when I made this.)

>>2521465
We're all very thankful for your inspiration.

  >>2521457
So, like Fiona and Cake, except rather than being the greatest thing ever, it stinks?

>>2521457
I'd pay all my money to see a scene where lyra is just staring at her hands in amazement.

>>2521467
But it's the Ice King's fan fiction.

>>2521382

As long as they keep the shows separate, I wouldn't mind having a second show. I'd prefer to not have any other crossovers aside from the film, unless it was some kind of season finale episode for both shows.

It seems like Hasbro is pretty intent on selling Equestria Girls toys, and having their own TV show is a sure fire way to make kids want that. But what I don't understand is how they are going to handle the story of Equestria Girls after the film is over... Are they just going to have Twilight leave Equestria forever in one timeline, and return to Ponyville in another? Or will they do something like with the mirror pool where she can now be in both worlds at the same time?

>>2521470
S4 IS EG!

>>2521471
And my big macintosh is the size of three cans of soda.

I been waiting for months for this.

>>2521470
Why couldn't they just make a commercial, and focus on making Hasbro/Hub the next Disney?

>>2521474
TV shows are better advertising than commercials.

>>2521475
Don't be so cynical.

Ha ha.

>>2521436
he will always be Brad
Brad is forever

>>2521479
AAAH VENEMOUS CATERPILLAR! D:

>>2521479
Just like how Tom is still called Tom Dan in some circles, Brad will eternally be "Brad-something".

Though Blueblood being called Vladimir or whatever didn't last that long...

I'm sure Brad will fare pretty well through the ages. Possibly even better than Tom Dan.

It's gonna be horrible.

Until now, I've always been one of those guys who said "No, no, guys, it won't be so bad. No, no, just wait and see, calm down, everything will turn out alright." And I was proven wrong every damn time.

So yeah, fuck that. It will be the most terrible thing ever. I mean, just look at
>... she transforms into a teenage girl who must survive her biggest challenge yet… high school.
God damn it, reading that alone makes me want to demolish something out of pure frustration.

How could they take something so awesome and turn it into such a piece of shit! Goddamnit. Shit, I've read crappy fapfics, or clopfics or whatever where they all do some fucked up stuff and you always think "Haha yeah, someone thought this was a good idea" But with this, they made it... official, ya know? Just... fuck.

And the worst thing is, I know I won't be able to completely ignore it. I will be way too curious. And then it will be even worse.

Alright, I'm done ranting. I will try not to whine about this too often, but I make no promises.

>>2521482
You had one job. Turn in your badge and gun.

>>2521482
>Believing that tagline

>>2521484
even you have to admit the trailer doesnt help, because it only show everything you have seen in this genre of high school girls stuff. the only exception will be the climax i think.

>>2521482
>implying the taglines ever been anything but awful.
I've givin up on Hasbro's marketing a long time ago.
As for myself, I'm excited!
I really want to see this!

How EqG will end:
Twilight Sparkle returns to Equestria, having completed whatever she was sent to do.

Celestia: "Now we can close the portal and the two worlds will never have to meet again!"

Cut to street outside. Pony Snips is strutting down the street wearing a Tuxedo T-shirt and top hat identical to Human Snips.

>>2521487
They wouldn't dare make EG seem bad.

>>2521488
twilight will make it look great, and start selling dolls on equestria.

Nothing much to do now except wait and see if it is a train wreck. I doubt it will be an Oogieloves-level of box office bomb. There will certainly be parents looking for something to take kids to during the summer. But will it stand out enough to count as a success? I don't know.

>>2521490
It'll be on maybe 10 screens.

>>2521491

http://www.screenvision.com/cinema-events/my-little-pony-equestria-girls/

No, more than that. I didn't count every last one but I would guess roughly 200.

>>2521490
they are not looking it to be a great success on cinemas, they just want to present you all this even like the most bigger thing than have happened to ponies, so you cant ignore the new toy line.

  just wonder how the hell the toy's commercials will look likes

>>2521495
Wonder how they're going to top this.

>>2521496
EqG got people to actually go to insult more than just a couple of guys in DHX, so they are practising.

My guess? Twilight get's five new friends in some new town. That will break it.

>>2521496

  I'm surprised so few people appreciate the fact that the show is getting a theatrical film. Even if it's not good, it's a statement of how big this show has gotten.

Yes, it's a limited release, but it's still theatrical. As I recall, the Aqua Teen Hunger Force movie had a similar release, and its fanbase was probably much smaller than that of MLPFIM.

>>2521499
Except its not a Friendship is Magic movie. It's a glorified pilot episode for a spinoff centered solely on selling human dolls and accessories trying to appeal more towards Tweens, trying to use the success of FiM as a springboard into the market already dominated by Mattel.

>>2521499
>>2521500
The point is that it's not a direct to video one, and they're using MLP clearly to get most of the audience.
Personally, I'm excited for it!

>>2521501
Think taking the pony out of My Little Pony is exciting.
You're part of the problem.

>>2521502
>Think taking the pony out of My Little Pony is exciting.
>You're part of the problem.
It's you think taking the pony out of My Little Pony is exciting.
While I can understand where you're coming from, (taking the pony out of MLP is kinda crazy) when you get right down to it we don't even think of them as ponies, or pets, we think of them as equals, as four legged humans (Or hew-mans if you prefer) basically. If somehow I'd watched an episode and they were tortoises/turtles/whatever or birds or even dwarfs, I would have loved it all the same.

>>2521502
>You're part of the problem.
And what problem is that?

  >>2521503
Also Twilight eating like a pony is funnier than it should be.
>>2521504
The having different opinion problem of course!
The worst of our planets problems.

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>>2521503
Ponies should stay ponies. Not be transformed into hairless apes with horrible mutant skin conditions just so Hasbro can ride the Pony Express into Monster High town. And if you support that, you're just giving Hasbro the green light to mess with it even more; or god forbid, actually have it canon to Friendship is Magic in the future.

>>2521506
Opinion: Asserted

Can I have some reasons why?

I think it's a small slap to the face for us that their shallow pandering movie comes before a real MLP movie, but I never expected Hasbro to act with any sort of class.

>>2521506
I'll support them if it's good. If not I won't. They get most their money from toys in any case, though this may be signaling a change in that, however limited or subtle.
If I like the movie, I'll buy some toys for it. If not, I won't buy toys for it.

>>2521506
I just think this will be a fun side trip. A chance to see how the others would act if put in a different situation like high school.

And it's more likely that if it is successful, they'll just make Equestria Girls its own thing. Have a show for both brands.

>>2521508
And if it turns out to be good like I keep saying?

>>2521511

I don't think it will. If it does, I'm still not going to be a fan, because it's still pandering toward that other audience and changing everything to try and get to them. It'd still be a sign of Hasbro just not caring what they meddle with to reach some certain demographic.

And I don't think I'm okay with that.

>>2521510
I personally am afraid of this option. They used the FiM team for this one, they'd either split up the team, come up with a new team, give them less time and have everyone work both, or take the team from FiM

Neither option is good imo

>>2521512
Honestly, if they make it good, I think I will support it. I mean, they made something like this good, that probably is a one in a million thing.

>>2521513

You're welcome to. I just don't feel comfortable supporting something this shallow.

>>2521511
Even if the movie is good, which Bronies with a capital B will love every second because if it involves ponies UPVOTE! The concept it is based on is inherently flawed. Changing the pony of My Little Pony to be something else to cash in on the original's success.
>>2521507
My Little Pony: Newborn Cuties. Enough said. (YouTube it, and enjoy your nightmare fuel. Also, be glad that the "sosoft" toys aren't a part of Friendship is Magic yet.)

Last edited at Sun, May 19th, 2013 08:48

  >>2521512
I'm excited for it.
I'm with the guys in here.
i should probably go into this with low expectations like i did the show proper

>>2521511
a lot of people will find it good, specially if they are woman because they dont care or even love this over use high school teen age dance scenario.

>>2521515
Consider what else they did that was crazy.
They made My Little pony a good show.

>>2521514
My point is it would be a miracle that it is good. Its no shallow effort on behalf of the writer/storyboarder/animatiors

>>2521515
I've never seen that. I've seen this claimed, but I have never seen people en masse go and whiteknight everything (outside of youtube).

Plus, just because newborn Cuties was made doesn't mean this is going to be bad. There is absolutely no association.

>>2521517
Wut

>>2521515
>Even if the movie is good, which Bronies with a capital B will love every second because if it involves ponies UPVOTE! The concept it is based on is inherently flawed. Changing the pony of My Little Pony to be something else to cash in on the original's success.
"UPVOTE!"
? Are you talking in reddit?
>>2521517
>a lot of people will find it good, specially if they are woman because they dont care or even love this over use high school teen age dance scenario.
Keep in mind they're basically setting out to do what MLP did, Make a good show in a place void (for the most part) of good ones. At least I think you're saying it's gonna suck.
That part about the women makes no sense to me.

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>>2521513
Exactly. Besides reaching 65 episodes, why do you think season 3 felt rushed and short? Equestria Girls. So if EqG becomes its own thing, FiM will fall short once again and both projects will suffer for it.

>>2521519

If it isn't, that's fine. That's good for them. But I don't feel comfortable showing support for it with my money, still. I don't like the reasons behind it, and I don't like the attitude to the fandom that the business shows. I don't like the setting and how much it strips much of the original universe bare of what made it so likable and original to begin with.

It could be good, sure. But it's a good, "Let's strip down all of this good stuff and stick these characters in a completely unoriginal setting to try and reach the Monster High market" movie. I don't want to be involved with that.

>>2521516

eeeh.

>>2521521
Because the writers are gonna work over time?
I liked quite a few episodes.
Too many Pinkie Pies and Wonderbolt Academy for example

>>2521522
Actually, I didn't know that Monster high had a market.
I'm actually more wary of that than this.
Because, you know, late sequels.

>>2521518
Faust and Renzetti made ponies a good show. McCarthy is losing the reigns over more and more to Hasbro.
That said. I will pirate it because its almost ponies during a long long hiatus, but it won't see a single penny from me.

>>2521521
I didn

>>2521522
So far agreed...but that is why I really think I would support it if the writers managed to make it interesting. It shows how much effort they gave

>>2521521
It felt FAR less rushed than S2 imo actually.

>>2521525
Eh, I see no more Hasbro intervention than S2

>>2521525
There was more Hasbro intervention?
Also, I don't like how you discount THE ENTIRE TEAM OF WRITERS, EDITORS, ARTISTS AND MORE WE CAN'T REMEMBER. Give them their due at least.

>>2521520
I'm talking about how Bronies with a capital B will support and defend till their dying breath anything Hasbro does in regards to ponies. Except when it comes to official merchandise and toys, because then all they do is whine just as hard as me about how a big company isn't catering to our wishes.

>>2521515
How is that logical? You said that this is going to be bad because they are going to be humans. You then provided Newborn Cuties as an example of what EqG will be like. What?

>>2521519
yea, im being stereotypical, this movie use the stereotypical scenario, and look to be using a ton of stereotypical characters and situations.

so im going to be stereotypical and say just because is twilight sparkle doing what the monster high do, girls and woman will find it lovely and really fun, and include a lot of people who just think anything with ponies is perfect no matter what.

sure there is going to be some twist and stuff, i mean, i thought the lenght was going to be 3 episodes long, but it is 3 and a half... so i guess they can do stuff in the middle... but at the same time, is just the friking same high school scenario again. because you know, teen age girls dont like anything else, just use the same formula than has been use before.

>>2521515
>My Little Pony: Newborn Cuties. Enough said.
I'm not getting the comparison or the implications. They were a few webisodes that came out near the end of G3.5 when they knew it would already be ending soon (since Lauren had already started work on FiM by then). And it was something they were doing for several brands, given that LPS also had webisodes back then too.

>>2521521
They only worked on Equestria Girls after they were finished with season 3, which looked like it had enough time to be worked on for a 13 episode season. And they wouldn't force the same team tow juggle between two shows, they'd just give the show to a different team to work on.

>>2521523
That's how you burn out writers and drive them away from working for you. It's literally killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

>>2521528
And I am saying that while they exist, I don't think they are that big of a demographic. Besides youtube comments and some of Reddit, I really haven't seen too many of these "capital B" bronies. I honestly think their ubiquity is mostly a myth.

>>2521514
Pray tell, I honestly don't understand this viewpoint, how is EqG any more shallow than MLP?

>>2521532
The writers are freelancers that work on multiple shows. They're used to working on different projects at the same time, and they're not forced to take jobs if they don't have the time to devote to all of them.

>>2521530
> yea, im being stereotypical, this movie use the stereotypical scenario, and look to be using a ton of stereotypical characters and situations.

Do you even WATCH this show? Nearly every episode, ESPECIALLY season 1's stuff, was widly stereotypical. Oooh an episode about a race where characters learn that its not all about winning, oh hey one about trusting your friends even if they're acting a little funny, gee oh boy something about not judging a book by its over, oh woooow one about not being a picky whiner, real original territory. Except for the fact that FWF, SotC, BG, and SfS were all amazing, and NOT because of their premises.

The charm of this show from the beginning hasn't been in the unpredictably of the storylines, but in the extremely tight character design, development, and interactions, coupled with jokes both wild and subtle, and juuuuust enough moral fiber to make you think about your own life without turning it into an afterschool special.

Honestly I wonder if everyone that thinks this movie will undoubtedly fail and be awful even remember that this is a freaking My Little Pony board, and MLP for the past 30 years or whatever has had no business being interesting to anyone except 5 year old girls.

>>2521521

This might be something that's controversial to say, but I don't think the writers care as much about the show we might like to think sometimes. I think the original justification for s1 was, "We had to keep ourselves entertained, so we put in jokes we found funny."

I don't know. It seems like these scripts have been lacking for a while now. People have given a lot of explanations for this since season two, most of which was, "It was rushed because they had to make more stuff!"

But when you think about it, scripts...how much time do they really take to write?

When I went to both conventions last summer, I saw some show staff that seemed truly grateful for the community the show had spawned. Lee Tockar was the surprise highlight of the whole thing, who seemed to have a passion and a drive that I couldn't help but admire more than any other VA. Spike's VA was calm and professional, while....Tara Strong was Tara Strong.

There was always an undercurrent of awe from them, I feel, at just how awesome it was the whole event could happen. They had a lot of fun at the convention, and they were thankful for the chance.

...and then I see writers being flippant over twitter about things we care about, and a lot of subpar scripts, and I'm just not seeing the same drive and appreciation of just what a trip this whole thing is and how they can give back. ...well, from a few writers.

>>2521534

Because of why it was made. At least Hasbro went in to FiM saying, "Our sales are down. We need someone to come in and fix this." With this, it's more, "We have a successful property. Now let's take that universe and morph it into a high school drama to make a shit ton of money and try to reach a demographic we wouldn't otherwise/"

Shallow money grabs are shallow money grabs.

>>2521528
...We don't walk in the same fandom circles.
>>2521515
That didn't have humans. It had Babies. And was DTV.
>>2521530
What show were you watching?
Because this in itself is a stereotypical premise. If you don't like the fact that thier taking ponies out that's fine, you're disagreeing on a conceptual level, but stereotype?
This whole show is based on the "Girls like ponies" stereotype.
>girls and woman will find it lovely and really fun
1. women.
2. that's a bit sexist.
3. There is such a thing as quality from unlikely sources, like say... the my little pony brand.

>>2521536

Stereotypical morals =/ stereotypical everything.

>>2521526
I have to stop the current discussion for this:

How in the world is S2 more rushed than S3?

>>2521539
It's not even just the morals. Look at the cast. The nerd, the sidekick, the jock, the shy one, the party animal, the prissy one, and the straight man. Not exactly blazing new trails here.

If you break it down far enough, its sounds horribly cliche and bad. Except, of course, for the fact that it isn't.

>>2521538
> mine countenance whereupon

>>2521540
It was faster paced, every episode mattered less from a universe persepective, the episodes themselves were often made up by the writers individually, the characterization was more haphazard, it felt more like it was trying to fill the script with jokes than actually tell a compelling story.

General things like this were improved on in S3

>>2521537
What? An attempt to make money is an attempt to make money. I still don't get any of that mindset. Hasbro wanted more money, so they made MLP. Hasbro wanted more money, so they made EqG. Hasbro always wants to make more money. This is no indicator of the quality of the show in any way. The greatest films of all time have been made by a company who wanted to make some money.

>>2521540
If you look at the facts, it really was. They ran out of episode ideas towards the end and had to come up with them on the fly. The production may not have been, but some of it certainly was.

>>2521532
uhhh, that's not how writers work usually.
>>2521535
That is how they work often.
>>2521537
MLP is in the end meant to market toys, same as tranformers, the most anyone can do is make the show good, as long as Hasbro gives them enough free reign to make it good.
>>2521536
Thank you!

>An attempt to make money is an attempt to make money.

Do you understand that the way people make money and how they do so and the motivations behind it can be fundamentally different? The difference between...on disc DLC and day 1 DLC, for example.

>>2521527
Faust created the show from the ground up. THEN Hasbro hired the staff to help her have it come alive. The groundwork for FiM is what ultimately made it successful, the groundwork for EqG is flawed. It's like building a skyscraper on a solid foundation and a toothpick respectively.
>>2521529
>>2521531
Newborn Cuties was a shallow attempt at selling baby dolls through the MLP IP. EqG is a shallow attempt at selling human dolls through the MLP IP. Faust went out of her way to make a show that was able to be enjoyed across gender and age barriers. Hasbro is trying to redirect their IP back towards specific and tighter-focused demographics.
>>2521535
They are staff. They earn salary. They have deadlines, contracts and work loads. Previously working on MLP FiM and tacking EqG on to try to follow in the footsteps will ultimately detract from both.

>>2521537
But with this, you know, I think you're right. The writers aren't out to change the world. They're not here to define society. They sure as hell weren't here to make some weird fringe adult demographic happy. They were there for a paycheck and to keep their jobs and please the corporate goons.

And, really, there's nothing wrong with that. We all gotta do it.

The fact that they made something special out of their daily grind is amazing, and if they can't always get everything right, especially when the original premise has become strangely bloated and warped (they are without a doubt at least ADDRESSING the adult segment now, if not catering to it, so that has changed things a bit) well, some days I suck at my job too.

>and then I see writers being flippant over twitter about things we care about, and a lot of subpar scripts, and I'm just not seeing the same drive and appreciation of just what a trip this whole thing is and how they can give back. ...well, from a few writers.
I really think that is because fans constantly tell them (the writers) that they don't care and they (the writers) get mad because they actually still do.

I honestly would be fine with accepting criticism, but when 90% of your "criticism" tweets at you are "Thank you for ruining the show!" and "Im leaving! I can't take you running it into the ground" or "Its obvious that you don't care about the show so why should I" then I think I would get pissy too.

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>>2521545
Conceded. But how is building on a successful property by creating a new one inherently worse than rebooting an old property in the same way that Day One DLC is worse than DLC?

>>2521546
Actually Hasbro already had a lot of ideas and characters...Rarity for example was Hasbro. The production process at first was pretty even split between Hasbro and Faust it seemed

>>2521547

I don't think there's anything wrong with it either. They're not out to pander to us or keep us happy. Most of them, anyway. SOME of them want to do something cool with the show, and I deeply respect them.

But it's just a little disheartening when so many people involved do care about making this good, and the people who are actually in control...really don't.

>>2521544

Yeah. I don't understand how that's relevant to what I'm saying, though...

>>2521541

Characters....are characters, and all of them have been done before. That doesn't make them cliche. That makes them archetypes. That's different from what he's saying. Morals and characters are some of the things that are the most universal in media. He's talking about how just about...every element seems stereotypical.

I don't actually agree with him, to be honest, because from what I've heard, it seems like someone is trying to make it acceptable, but if it was, well, it would be more cliche and boring than FiM.

>>2521549

Nothing. as long as you speak in those general terms. I like that the Mario Party games were made, and even Mario Tennis. Those were all great games many people wouldn't have played without the Mario name attached.

But when you get into what property you're making and why, that's when things get a little fuzzy.

>>2521545
?
I'm not seeing it.
It looks more like making an MGS action game to me, but that was pretty good (story aside. Never thought I'd say that about Metal Gear)
>>2521546
?
Faust was a nice person, and she did think it up, but a lot of shows that could have been good weren't because of execution. The gang as a whole made this happen, not just Faust, remember, she did not wright all the episodes, that was her writers, she did not animate it, that was the animaters, she did not- actually she did think up the desighn but the colors changed (for the better IMO) due to... I think mandate from Hasbro.
Point it, she isn't the only thing making (or that made) this show good.

>>2521551
I'd certainly compare Equestria Girls to the Mario spin-offs.
At least for now, we'll see what it is when it actually comes to a theater in Mongolia.

>>2521551
I really don't feel that they don't care...I just don't see it.

I dunno, I guess I could see how you feel that...but I see no evidence

Does anyone else get the feeling that this show was supposed to be Milky Way Galaxy Girls? Like, Lauren Faust went to hasbro with her new idea for a show/toy line, and they were like "uhh...ok cool, do your show, except make it PONIES! Ponies are safe, ponies sell."

>>2521552
I will agree she wasn't the ONLY reason the show WAS good. But she had the heart and the drive to make something that broke the aforementioned barriers, and it showed through her team.
You can't deny that things aren't different now.

>>2521538
the girly colorful stereotype isnt they just have tea parties and are happy with almost 0 confrontations and the story resolved on them just doing the stuff they wanted to do that day?

any way, yea im being intentionally sexist. just because this premis is playing it that way.

im sorry on advance.

>>2521518
I DONT KNOW WHY PEOPLE USE THAT PICTURE WITH THE EDITED SKIN COLORS?

if you are going to make your picture about "you think this suck... remember this" use the real things and not edited stuff

>>2521536
i dont think the movie will suck, it will do really well, is just the premise is friking high school.
with your popular bully girl
and your dance prom.
and your pretty boy who will help your main character

there will be turns and twist, of course, they are going to make some sweet maybe even genuine interactions with other characters? maybe. it isnt going to insult the intelligence of the people watching it? that one of the things im expecting.

it is just again, teen age high school, you grabed ponies to make teen age high school.

this doesnt mean it is going to be bad, at minimum it isnt going to be insulting, is just i dont have that much of big expectations.

>>2521551
So, what's your beef? Hasbro wants to make money, and they know that making a quality show is the way to do it. How is supporting a company that is actively trying to make good shows a bad thing?

>>2521556
I can deny it. I see more passion with McCarthy than I ever did with Faust. That being said I saw her after she was burnt out, so I can't say

>>2521555
No not really. Almost everything I know about the production contradicts this

>>2521552

That's different. That's making a shift in tone and style in a spinoff game still part of the same universe. It'd be like making a spinoff of the Cutie Mark Crusaders. It would be about things that happen in universe, and while it would differ in tone from the original show, and some people wouldn't like it, I don't think people would have a "NO!" knee jerk reaction to it.

>>2521554

I offered it. You can accept it or not.

>>2521553

I wouldn't. These are shifts in a style of gameplay that don't radically change things about the story, characters, setting, or universe.

I can't think up a good comparison for what would make Mario fans flip out, since he comes from the human world. But...try turning him into a goomba and throw him into Brooklyn and say you're going to start a new game series based on that.

>>2521558

Because I don't think they are trying to make a quality show here. I do not think that is their focus.

>>2521558
>actively trying to make good shows

>made the Transformers movies, G.I. Joe movie(s?) and Battleship movie.
also, what >>2521561 said. I think they're trying to make a show that literally apes Friendship is Magic's original premise to show off their pretty pretty fashion dolls.

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>>2521562

I don't think those are the fault of Hasbro. At least...they didn't interfere creatively and make them bad/worse than they were.

>>2521560
What did you offer? You said that you don't see it and cited that she seemed flippant. I said her flippancy is a sign that she still cared.

>>2521555
XD
It's funny 'cause it's true!
>>2521557
Point is if MLP is good, so can this. Remember, Before FIM pretty much no one thought this would be any good.

>>2521555
She originally just went to Hasbro to develop what I think she called a "rock micro series" or something for Galaxy Girls. I think that means something like a series of music videos.

"Micro-series pop opera", that's it.

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>>>>2521555
That's actually wrong. They aren't related to each other, except that they were made by the same person.

>>2521565
Fans of the old shows are laughing at your ignorance and wish you a good day.

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>>2521562
They handed them to different people.
MLP: FIM on the other had Hasbro involved, so does Transformers.
Ironic no?
The ones with executive meddling are better than the ones without.

>>2521563
Wait, you sure Hasbro didn't?

That interesting

>>2521567
People who aren't start trek fans think Into Darkness could be good.
This did not apply for Friendship is Magic.

>>2521568
>killed Optimus Prime
>fan backlash so severe they brought him back to life.
Yep. Executive meddling is really great. I really shouldn't have expected any different on ponychan other than Hasbro Internet Defense Force.

If I thought that Hasbro came into this thinking,

"Okay, I think we can tell more interesting stories with this."

"I think we can bring the characters new places with that."

"I think this setting is something that we can breath new life into and that should be explored."

I would not be complaining.

>>2521568

>The ones with executive meddling are better than the ones without.

I will say...correlation causation. I don't think you've shown that the meddling led to a better show. The lack of meddling didn't make Transformers worse.

>>2521569

Yeah. They just gave them the license, more or less. But again, I'm going off the word of my silly filly exboyfriend who is a Transformers nut.

>>2521570

Hahaha. It's funny because Saxy saw it last night and was disgusted at how awful that movie was.

>>2521561
Of course it's their focus! They know by now that the way to make money is to make quality shows. They aren't stupid. They experienced a huge, massive upsurge in popularity, rocketing MLP from a has been in to the strongest property out there just by investing a little TLC into the tie in TV show. They can't just ignore the fact. Just look at LPS. It's genuinely trying to ape the success of MLP, which is a good thing. It means that Hasbro knows exactly what's up. It means they know which goose laid the golden egg, and they are trying to genetically engineer it. If anything, they are acting more in favor of forwarding the cause of good animation than they were when they made MLP. When they made MLP, they were doing a token effort like Strawberry Shortcake and giving the artist who showed up at their door employment. With EqG, they are trying to make a good show first and then reveal the toys later. The show leads the sales.

>>2521570
And I am saying you are full of it, because fans of the shows thought it held a lot of promise, and many people saw the name Faust and were immediately thinking of, well, everything Faust has made or help made.

You might not have thought it could be good, but your generalization just shows your misinformation.

>>2521573
You have high hopes on Hasbro, a company known for essentially buying brands and companies, letting them function on their own for a while, then coming in and royally fucking them up, making themselves lose markets that way. Hasbro was the largest toy company of the world at one point due to merging with other large companies. As in, Mattel had nothing on them. Now Mattel is not only larger, but still sells more in average. Guess how Mattel deals with it's lower groups?

So, no, I trust Hasbro with IP and their subsidiaries like I trust a drunkman with a bottle of very expensive scotch.

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>>2521557
Feh, and ACW was a freaking wedding, which is, like, the premise of animated movie and romantic comedy ever made, and it was still amazing, despite the fact that all their advertisement for the finale made it seem like it was going to be dreadful.

Don't get me wrong; I'm confused as hell why they didn't just do actual ponies in a movie. But, this far in, I can't judge books by their cover and not sound like a horrible hypocrite.

>>2521561
If you accept the premise that they the show is a long-running advertisement to buy toys (and sell ad space on TV; the ads aired during the show have gotten SIGNIFICANTLY more mainstream since season 1, so that means real money is starting to move), then they want people to be watching, and the only way to keep people watching is to try to make it good.

Sure they have deadlines and constrains and not every episode is going to be a symphony, but saying they're just flat-out not trying to make a quality show is... well, it's like me saying I don't think you're trying to make quality posts. It's baseless, not to mention insulting.

>>2521567
What, all three of them? Eh, they have it rough, they can get a good guffah at our expense.

>>2521575
iirc, 3.5 was the least popular while everything else DID have a fanbase

>>2521570
dude means that fans of the older gens were excited for it

>>2521572
Correlation actually does often imply causation...you just can't prove that said correlation always equals causation with 100% certainty

>>2521573
although I feel they failed HARD at LPS, kinda this

>>2521577
But it proves they are at least trying. The people who watch and enjoy it can attest to that.

>>2521572
Just a funny observation.
>tfw Into Darkness sucks.
T_T
>>2521561
I don't think it ever was.
They just decided that having a quality show might help get more toys.
>>2521574
Ah.
Well I'm not.
Not sure what to say other than how badly tone can translate.
>>2521574
We must have traveled in different circles.
The ones I've been in had no hopes for it.
Then show aired.
Where is this place of rationality and optimism? I wanna see!

>>2521573

I think you're making a lot of unjustified assumptions that your evidence cannot back up. Hasbro has meddled in the show, and the writers have made it good in spite of it. They have shown that their focus is the toyline and the the show has been made for the purpose of brand identity. One executive outright said that they only got 13 episodes for s3 because that was the point where they could run reruns and be successful.

They do not care.

You have not shown that they care. You say that, "Hey, they must care." But there are plenty of alternate explanations that are more substantial than, "they must care"

>>2521575

>the only way to keep people watching is to try to make it good.

I don't know if they would agree. See aforementioned executive.

> saying they're just flat-out not trying to make a quality show is... well, it's like me saying I don't think you're trying to make quality posts. It's baseless, not to mention insulting.

Are you saying Hasbro has always tried to make quality shows? That has been their focus this entire time? Would you please point me to the myriad of shows hasbro has put out there that are of a high quality, or statements showing that they care about making their shows of a high quality?

They're a toy company. That's what they're focused on.

>>2521577

Uh, no, it doesn't. It very often does not, and that's why there's a strong focus on evidence proving correlation and causation.

Consider the graph that had the rising number of hurricanes on the x axis and the lowering belief in Christianity on the y axis.

You can put most any set of data with any other on a graph. That does not make them any more likely to be related.

>>2521579
>tfw Into Darkness sucks.
>T_T
I liked it.

>>2521576
I was talking about those outside the fanbase for the movie.

>>2521579

I think it was, "This has gotten so bad that no one is watching it at all. We need to do something different to change things."

Hasbro has never been about providing excellent T.V. shows. Hey, that's fine, I understand. I don't see why they would. They're a toy company. They make, "Eh, I guess it's okay," shows.

>>2521580
I think you're making a lot of unjustified assumptions that your evidence cannot back up.

>>2521581
... Now I'm conflicted.
I'll see if for myself.

>>2521584

I do not think that just throwing that back at me defensively makes your argument any more palatable.

>>2521585

You know, for all of its flaws, I don't think you would be as bothered by them as many of the critics or my crazy rabid Trekkie ex. I'd say that you should go see it, and I hope you enjoy it, Reccy! ^_^

>>2521578
I know. I agree...popularity doesn't imply quality from my viewpoint, but they definitely tried hard to make it such.

>>2521580
But the rising amount of hurricanes IS due to the lowering belief in Christianity~

But yes, Causation often is not anything to do with correlation, but if by manipulation of one variable in a controlled environment you get changed results. It can be said that such variables are linked...its hard to prove, but it is used in the industry and science a lot.

>>2521587
Spoilers for spoilers, what exactly were the flaws...gonna go see it later

>>2521576
Yeah, I know. There are (or at least were) some hovering around here and there. I've spoken with a few, though I have to admit I don't share their enthusiasm. They're almost exclusively girls (now women) that grew up with the show and have some good nostalgic memories of it. Which is perfectly normal and fine, given that those shows were aimed at girls their age.

>>2521580
> One executive outright said that they only got 13 episodes for s3 because that was the point where they could run reruns and be successful.
Yes, and that would be a buisness decision they would have to make. And we all panicked when they said that, because it's bad for fans like us that want more show. But where that story REALLY got interesting is that they're [/i]not actually doing that[/i] and season 4 is full length. So apparently that guy and that mentality didn't win out.

> Are you saying
I don't know what the budgets of those other shows were, or what freedoms they had, but I'm willing to bet it wasn't high and open enough to really make it worth our time. But I'm not really the best judge here, and frankly neither are you. I don't know what the actual demographics think of shows like that. I *do* remember that, as a kid, I watched some pretty terrible stuff and got interested in it mostly just cuz it was there, not because it was that great.

>>2521587
Thanks!

>>2521585
Also, it's getting a good amount of positive reviews (87% by critics, 89% by viewers on Rotten Tomatoes), but you checking out seems to be the best way to find out.

>>2521580
>One executive outright said that they only got 13 episodes for s3 because that was the point where they could run reruns and be successful.
They didn't outright say that about MLP, just shows in general. Considering season 3 was green lighted during season 1's airing, it seemed like a safe thing to do. Make enough for syndication in case it doesn't do so well, and if the show is a success order more seasons. They've already gone back to 26 episode seasons.

>statements showing that they care about making their shows of a high quality?
It's been stated by both people from Hasbro Studios and interviews/panels with the creative staff that they actually try to work together with them in order to produce quality shows.

>>2521586
Well your argument was "I don't think the evidence adds up"

And my argument is "I don't think you are giving them the benefit of the doubt." You aren't being fair to Hasbro. You are assuming that they are doing things that for reasons that neither of us know, and assuming that that is bad. Are you then refusing your service even if it is a good product because you think that Hasbro is... evil or something?

>>2521575
i never though ACW was going to be bad because is a wedding, because that just mean it was going to be a big party.....
what i though i was going to hate was shinning armor and princess cadence, and saddly that is my biggest issue with the thing. the shoe horned characters, and my biggest problem is not just because they are shoe horned, but because they are suppose to play some of the most important roles in this show, and they appear just right of nowhere.

but i digress, im just judging the book not by his cover, but for the synopsis and the marketing about it.

is like reading "from J.R.R Tolkien, come the most pretty high school drama of our generation, where Linsy, will face the popular girl of the school, meeting boys, and joining forces with her friends, this story will get into all the girls", i will be like wtf is that? and you will tell me "but is J.r.r Tolkien, you have no right to say anything."

>>2521589
You know, I never believed that anyway, It always was for syndication in my mind. Different people gave different reasons anyway.

Someone else said that it was so McCarthy wasn't over her head in her first season and they wanted to see if it was gonna bomb first. It didn't so they kept it going.

All these conflicting things make it sound like these people are just guessing

>>2521592
>You aren't being fair to Hasbro. You are assuming that they are doing things that for reasons that neither of us know, and assuming that that is bad.

No, I'm not. I gave reasons. It wasn't an assumption at all....




>>2521589
>But I'm not really the best judge here, and frankly neither are you.

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that Hasbro has "making quality shows" as a deeply held goal. It does not take a certain type of person to judge this. You only have to look at their statements, their actions, and what types of shows they have produced. If they cared about making good shows...

They would make good shows.

Not a good show.

Good shows.

>I *do* remember that, as a kid, I watched some pretty terrible stuff and got interested in it mostly just cuz it was there, not because it was that great.

Yep. I did the same thing. That's just a thing kids do, and executives pick up on that.



>36605124

Yes, I agree, but that is the result of trying to prove causation or that the two data sets have some relationship, which is different from what you seemed to be saying before...

>>2521588
>>2521588

You do not want to know. Most of them have to do with the twists.


SPOILERS FOR INTO DARKNESS BELOW. THEY ARE MILD BUT REVEAL THE TWIST IN SOME FORM. I THINK. PLEASE GO PAST THIS IF YOU DO NOT WANT THIS SPOILED. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

They milk the shit out of Wrath of Khan, from what little I could get out of Saxy.

>>2521592

>Are you then refusing your service even if it is a good product because you think that Hasbro is... evil or something?

I would like you to go back and read my older post on the subject. I've answered this multiple times already, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't make silly assumptions about how I don't want to support something because I think Hasbro is evil.

That is dumb.

Thank you.

>>2521593
>Implying you're allowed to say anything bad about J.R.R. Tolkien.
To be honest, if Tolkien was working on that I'd be wary because he's working outside of his usual environment. If he was doing say... A story on another thing, lets go crazy and say a SCIENCE-FICTION epic with religious themes then it'd be more applicable.
Not so much here.

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>>2521595
I gave reasons too. I just feel like you are being really cynical. Have a little faith, Bash. They make good shows on accident? Hardly likely.

>>2521598

Belief without evidence is a faulty reason to believe in anything.

I never said they make good shows on accident. I said that given their track record with shows and the reason they make them, I do not say any reason to believe that they came into this thinking...

ANY of the reasons that I gave in a previous post that I said would cause me to stop complaining. Why would I have faith in Hasbro at all? If I have a good damn reasons to be cynical that have been demonstrated more than once, why would I ever think that the pattern of evidence would suddenly be inadequate to make new predictions?

>>2521598
Friendship is Magic was the exception, not the rule. Otherwise there would be way more Belly bros, LPS sites, and Transformers conventions and people making thousands of G.I. Joe remixes on youtube.

>>2521593
They addressed the "appear out of nowhere" thing within the first few minutes of the episode. Twilight's increasingly distant relationship with his brother and the woman she's going to marry is a major plot point, as it forms the basis of her feeling slighted and distrustful, and it doesn't work if we keep seeing Shining showing up for the holidays.

> "but is J.r.r Tolkien, you have no right to say anything."
Eh, the Silmarillion sucked.

But, more to the point, I think defending the credibility of someone who has produced good stuff consistently in the past is both rational and smart. It doesn't guarantee their future works will be great, but it gives more of a fuzzy feeling than a total unknown.

>>2521594
Of course nobody knows the truth! We have no real grasp on the timetables, the money, the major players, or even the long-term strategy of any of the parties involved here. And they're wise to keep us in the dark, because frankly its none of our business about the "whys" of what goes into the show other than idle curiosity. No smart company fully discloses their strategies when those strategies can take the better part of a decade to come to fruition. Even stockholder meetings are almost completely talking about the past and with only the vaguest hints of the future.

>>2521600
Wasn't FiM a success because of the people actually working on the show, and not Hasbro? Aren't those same people working on EqG?

>>2521599
>Why would I have faith in Hasbro at all?
Because they seem to be trying to do better. If EqGirls is good, refusing it because of your own personal cynicism is just ruining enjoyment for no reason. I can understand not looking forward to it, and thinking it will blow, but to say that even if it is good, you will hate it? That's just self destructive.

>>2521600
It's popularity is, certainly. So is it's quality, but that's due to the efforts of DHX, not lack of or presence of Hasbro's effort, just like EqG, which squarely rests on the shoulders of DHX.

>>2521600
uhhhh, we do have transformers conventions, general Hasbro conventions and bronycons.
We're pretty huge, mostly due to the quality of the show.

>>2521603

> but to say that even if it is good, you will hate it? That's just self destructive.

I'm not interested in it at all. That type of show has nothing to attract me to it whatsoever. But I'm not going to support it even if it does turn out to interest me because I do not support hasbro and the stuff it has been doing. I do not want them to have my money.

I do not see a reason to give them my money when it was never their fault that EQG could be anything approaching good. It's in spite of them. If I could give money straight to the writers, I would.

>>2521602
Again, we're circling back to the whole Ponies vs. Human High School thing. Aping MLP to sell human dolls does not inherently make the movie itself bad, but the concept behind it does and that's why I don't like it. I think they should have made a new IP for the human doll line and kept the same team working on ponies and hired a different one for their little experiment, rather than splitting them between the two.
What people need to stop doing though is treating like this is a big blockbuster event. It is essentially My Little Pony Friendship is Magic parts 1&2 2.0 retold with humans instead of ponies, where Twilight has to go around essentially remeeting all of her friends to fight the big bad, save the day, and kick off a toyline.

Twilight Sparkle is eating an apple like a pony. That was the exact moment my doubts dissolved and I prepared to see the movie on opening night, then see it again if I liked it, then buy a Human Twilight Sparkle doll to add to my Twilight Sparkle shrine where I burn incense and pray.

>>2521601
they showed shinning armor was with twilight from the first episode, and i have to asume she forgot about his brother for 5 strangers she met for 1 day, and she love him so much she cant handle her feelings, and he is the captain of the guard, and he is marrying a princess, and he is the only thing will protect of from destructions because no one else can do what he can do, and when we are fucked because no one can do what shinning armor can do, it have to be him and her wife to save the day, and later he have to be again the first one to come up when a trouble appear....

and he just appeared one day to do all this, and sure will do even more....

not a fan...

the silmarillion wasnt done when he was already death?

and for the thing... lets see, im whiling to see, even the fucking premise dont fall under my wing.

like i said, it probably is going to be fun, and some genuin moments... but friking monster high inspiration behind the entire idea....


and i will feel so bad for liking it, because it will probably will have good moments and maybe interesting things, but it will be friking human high school monster high rip offs.

damn it.

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>>2521605
>EQG could be anything approaching good
>That type of show
Oh. Ok. You still think it is going to be about high school drama for some reason. I can't blame you.

>>2521606
>I think they should have made a new IP for the human doll line and kept the same team working on ponies and hired a different one for their little experiment, rather than splitting them between the two.
Why?

>>2521604
Ponies have WAAAAAAAAAY overshot any other Hasbro property especially in the form of WHO IS WATCHING. That is my point. Grown men watching a show for that was originally meant for little girls. You don't see that with any other Hasbro property in the scale it has for Friendship is Magic. There were an UNGODLY amount of Pony conventions in the US alone this past year. You don't see the same kind of thing with Transformers or Hasbro. Sure they take part in OTHER cons, but they don't have 30+ conventions in one year just for one specific property.

>>2521609

Perhaps because of how it was marketed for the past...however long it's been marketed?

>>2521607
There you go!
That's really gonna be one of the best parts of the movie.
>>2521608
Well the Hobbit(the book, not the movie) couldn't hold my attention, and I did try to like it.

>>2521610
Because it's taking the piss out of My Little PONY. Flanderizing the charm and characterization of the ponies to make a doll line solely on the hype of "My Little Pony is popular, let's take the same characters but change how they look outside and repackage it as My Little Humans".
Make a new IP instead of trying to stand on the back of a successful one, possibly severing its spine.

>>2521607
i say first to wait and see if the human dolls are worth it. i mean, hasbro could be cheap on that....

then if they are fantastic. no problemo

>>2521612
Again, I can't blame you.

I just have trouble believing that anyone is buying that after the S2 finale ads.

The trailer indicated some serious conflict beyond that too. I don't blame you, but please try to keep an open mind.

>>2521612
IMO Hasbro has no idea how to market.
>>2521611
True. But you can't deny that the other shows are good (even if they don't interest me as much.)

I'm just going to say this and back out of the thread for good.

To me, FiM was slice-of-life fantasy adventure

To me, EQG seems like slice-of-life teenage issues with FiM as the foundation.

Both genres are equally good when written well. I will remain cautiously optimistic because I see no reason or evidence to be otherwise. However, I respect whoever disagrees with me.

>>2521613
Jokes about a human who acts like a horse because she was a horse the best part of the movie. Yep... Yep... ... Yep...

>>2521607
I still haven't seen the trailer, but I saw the gif of that, and it's amazing.

>>2521614
Can you restate that with about 100% less rhetoric and ranting? How, exactly, is the core show damaged regardless of what the movie does? Even if it bombs, it doesn't take the piss out of anything when the season 4 opener is unlikely to even reference it.

>>2521616

If someone has an animal in a cage and says, "Hey, it's a duck," over and over again, and show you parts of the animal using pictures, and they're parts that would be on a duck...


It's a duck.

>>2521617
I can deny the other shows are good, because if they were as good as Friendship is Magic, why isn't there such a big cult following as Friendship is Magic? I can't say any other Hasbro property has been a good enough show to warrant me going on the internet to bang my head against the desk because people think humanizing ponies to sell dolls is a good idea. Speaking of which... Is there a lot of humanization fanart of LPS yet?

>>2521621
Or a platypus.

>>2521621
Alright, whatever you say. Just don't be surprised when it turns out to not be the case.

>>2521622
I ask that question everyday when I play one of my favorite games.

>>2521614
>Make a new IP instead of trying to stand on the back of a successful one, possibly severing its spine.
I don't see any reason not to stand on the back of a successful one, but ok. Also don't see how it could "sever its spine," whatever that means.

>>2521624

I will be. Just as I would be surprised if that duck was a dog.

>>2521612
>however long it's been marketed?
I think the trailer last week is the first bit of actual advertising for it. Everything else about Equestria Girls have just been bits of art leaked and I think a passing mention of it in an larger article about the growth of Hasbro brands.

>>2521622
Also, there are humans in LPS.
So it's a bit redundant.

>>2521620
It's all what ifs at this point. What if because it bombs, Hasbro decides to shoehorn in the humanizations in to the main show to have a crossover episode when the ponies meet their human counterparts in order to boost doll sales? What if instead of letting Equestria Girls fade into obscurity like Newborn Cuties, Hasbro cancels Friendship is Magic to shift the focus from that market to Equestria Girls? What if because they don't want to admit to being wrong after it bombs they try to blame the fanbase for making it bomb and go full C&D on any site that mentions the word Pony My and Little in the same paragraph?

>>2521627
OR A PLATYPUS!
DON'T DISCOUNT THE AQUATIC MAMMAL!

>>2521621
Marketing is essentially the balance between trying to make you think something is something else without actually outright lying about it. Its often deliberately misleading specifically for effect. It's a strange, strange dance of trying to stay ahead of trends, but only a little, and is often extremely experimental, and also often exasperating since you never quite know what you're gunna get.

Bottom line is, if you can't see in that cage but people keep telling you its a duck, you should be wondering what sort of stunt they're trying to pull here.

>>2521630
I admit I can't fight against infinite "what if?"s, but, uh, I guess I can add to the pile!

What if it does okay but not great, and isn't a major financial loss so it doesn't harm the company, but is pretty lukewarm so they don't really put a lot of effort in that direction for the future?

>>2521630

...I have to admit, that sounds dumb and paranoid.



>>2521632

>Marketing is essentially the balance between trying to make you think something is something else without actually outright lying about it.

Uh, no...

>>2521630
...
Welp, we can give up on arguing with this guy.

>>2521632
Then I will be happy with that what if, as long as it fades into obscurity and don't mean to make it into as long lasting thing as Friendship is Magic.

>>2521627
>>2521633
If you says so.

>>2521633
Trust him, he's with a... CORPORATION.
But for the most part it's trying to make you buy their product, if that means misleading you, then they'll do it.

>>2521637
>But for the most part it's trying to make you buy their product, if that means misleading you, then they'll do it.

Yes. But misleading you into thinking something is totally different than what it is is NOT the main goal of marketing.

>>2521638
Very often that tactic is used though, sometimes unintentionally even.

>>2521639

Yes. But it's to dress up what you have to make it seem a little better, not...the other thing

>>2521634
Obviously you weren't going to change my mind. Humanizing ponies bad. My viewpoint, end of statement. Keep humans as far from Friendship is Magic as possible, no matter the cost.

Sure the what ifs I presented were baseless and fearful, but I'm one of those pathetic ones who is genuinely worried about the fates of my colorful horsey pals. They were the reason I could stand to wake up in the mornings from the time I was introduced to them. But life will go on eventually, no matter the outcome...

>>2521633
Uh, yes...

Look at car commercials. They're trying to sell freedom. All these cars going down empty roads at high speeds, over rugged mountain trails... they're selling the idea that your job will be less than a grind, and your car will get more mileage than between work, day care, the fastfood place, and home.

Phone commercials are selling a social life, all these happy, smiling friends calling you all the time, inviting you out to dinner, and little games to play in the meantime. Same thing with restaurants. Everything is so easy!

Drinks show you running a marathon and getting a nice cold one to celebrate. Sound systems show everyone rocking the fuck out at a great party that only you could host.

Marketing tries to fill your head with hopes of what their product can do, will do, for you, despite the fact that it's just another thing, not particularly different than all the other things.

And, with shows and movies, they want to give you juuuuust enough for your brain to run in a million directions and make up ideas for a storyline that suits your own need. Because the real thing probably won't be able to live up to whatever you think it should be, but if they've sold you the idea, they've basically sold you a ticket.

>>2521640
I'm not even sure what we're arguingdebatingarguiingtalking about now actually.
I think we're heading to a derail.

>>2521641
Trust me on this, you never want to use this quote or anything like it ever.
>It's all what ifs at this point. What if because it bombs, Hasbro decides to shoehorn in the humanizations in to the main show to have a crossover episode when the ponies meet their human counterparts in order to boost doll sales? What if instead of letting Equestria Girls fade into obscurity like Newborn Cuties, Hasbro cancels Friendship is Magic to shift the focus from that market to Equestria Girls? What if because they don't want to admit to being wrong after it bombs they try to blame the fanbase for making it bomb and go full C&D on any site that mentions the word Pony My and Little in the same paragraph?
That's a slippery slope fallacy at it's worst.

>>2521642

Yes, but it isn't trying to lie about what the product ACTUALLY is.

>>2521635
Alright, half way there! Let me try the next one then.

What if... it's actually good, and the fear is mostly unjustifiable, and we all shake our heads at why we were all panicking and eventually decide to blame it on marketing, fear, and Obama? And what if, since it's unexpectedly good, we actually look forward to seeing more along that line?

>>2521644
Excuse me? I'm not trying to change your mind on anything. I'm voicing my fears for the future of Friendship is Magic. If you're trying to tell me "don't panic" when clearly now more than ever is the time to panic, why bother?

>>2521646
But I don't want humanized ponies. I want pony ponies. More pony. How many times do I have to type that? I'm on a imageboard called PONYchan, not Humanchan. I'm on a subboard called /arch/ not /HUMAN/.
Silly.

>>2521647
Because there is never a good time to panic.
It just gets impossible to take you seriously when you start talking about those what ifs.
They sound like something Bullox would say to rustle jimmies.

>>2521648
For now...
*evil laugh*

>>2521645
It always seems like an odd turn of phrase for me to use, given as what I avatar as, but... not everything is that black and white. There is lying and there is lying. No doubt whatever they've shown is actually in the movie (though, even that's not guaranteed; I've seen trailers that contained cut scenes) Nevertheless, what they show us and how they describe it may be a bit off from what the actual focus is, purely in the interest of attempting to attract a different crowd.

That sort of thing is extremely common, and deeply irritating, which is why I hate marketing.

>>2521648
Did you always want ponies? Were you born with a burning desire to see ponies? Or did you stumble across this show at some point, realize it's good, and find yourself liking it?

If it's that last one, then you're a normal person that likes things they like. So it's possible for you to like other things, too.

>>2521649
I don't mean to be taken seriously. I'm just venting because I feel like I'm being tied down and forced to watch my best friend get beaten up until I can't recognize them anymore just because someone is going to make money from it. /endmelodrama
Sorry to waste everyone's time. I do feel a little better now that I got to rant and kick and scream like a child. smileyface
>>2521648
I don't want them taking ponies I like and changing them into something just to sell something else. Call that selfish, but meh. The show is called MY Little Pony.

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>>2521647

>>2521651
Technically you're not black and white either. You're grey, where everything else is.
>>2521652
I knew no one reasonable could not like this! /smug mode, initiated.

>>2521653
Sometimes it's fun to be scared!

>>2521649

Hi what r u guys talking about?

>>2521652
That was meant so that little girls that couldn't have real ponies could imagine those toy ponies as their ponies. The title is kinda archaic now.

>>2521654
>implying all unreasonable people will not like this
>implying all reasonable people will like this
/smugmodedisengaged

>>2521656
TEH FANDUM IS DEAD!
Equestria girls anticipation/arguments over it.