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#Discussion #Workshop
Hi there! Some of you may know me as a writer, while others among you may know me as a reviewer. Regardless, I'm Golden Vision, and I'm here to help.

Help with what? you might ask. Well, pretty much anything, insofar as it relates to writing. I've noticed that there tends to be quite a gap between older, more experienced writers or reviewers, and those just breaking into the fanfiction "community." Some basic things include not knowing what LUS or SDT are acronyms for, or what it means, exactly, when a sentence is "clunky," or a character "OOC." As time goes on, people get better at improving their writing, but it can be a rough start. There are plenty of helpful guides and other tools out there, but often I find that a more personal touch can work wonders.

So, I am hosting the Writer's Workshop II over Livestream, this Thursday, July 12, at 3:00 PM EST. It's an opportunity for younger, more inexperienced writers (or indeed, any kind of writer at all—we all have something we need to work on), to submit any topic, problem, or conceptual issue, and for me to go over it in detail in order to help you resolve it in your own writing. The last time we did this, sometime around early May, was quite productive and a lot of fun, so I'm hoping this iteration of the Workshop will be just as good—if not better.

A good example of a submitted question could be:
>Can you go over Show, Don't Tell? I keep getting people saying that there's too much of that in my stories, but I don't really get it.

You can post a question or topic like that in here, and I'll add it to my "Teaching Queue" of things to go over on that date. Just check to make sure that your answer wasn't already gone over in the last Workshop; there are Youtube links below for you to try and see if your question has already been answered. If you feel like there's still a problem, then you're welcome to submit it for discussion again.

I'm definitely looking forward to this, and I hope you all are too! So submit your thoughts, your problems, and your issues, and I'll get everything ready.

Can't wait to see you all there!
Golden Vision

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Links
Last Thread: >>101201

Recorded Workshop I (Youtube Videos): http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCAACA90D4CE12B1B&feature=plcp

EZN's Guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xemG7BLk2rvAmQCREIaj5wX2ubvmVt7WziEvh7xXV9g/edit

The Editor's Omnibus: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WMMs8H-GpFIXPsQeC0RNu8V-Cq6uyGl_UERpOUK_6KY/edit

Livestream Google Doc (For submitted topics): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c0TORQXnIlgDGLptvBlrCD1flR7XSOPHPrWl9MgEFMM/edit

Livestream Channel: http://www.livestream.com/goldenvisionswritersworkshop
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>> No. 110294
>>110290

I'll watch if I can, thanks! XD
>> No. 110299
YES!! I'm off from CQ that day! I'll he's there with bells on!
>> No. 110300
Can we go over different sentence structures? I see a pattern in my writing. I tend to have two- part sentences, with comma overkill. How can I vary it up?
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>>110300
Added to the plan!
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I might tune in if I have the t-
>3:00 PM EST
mfw I'm going to be working at that time.
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>>110314
Well, it'll be running for a fair few hours—ending anywhere between 7 and 8 PM EST! Hopefully, you can just drop in somewhere in the middle.
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Here's a suggestion:

Go over the concepts of making a grammatically correct story and making a story. Sometimes it seems as though people try too hard to make their story grammatically correct without worrying on the bigger things, like plot devices, mood, characterization, and world structure.
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>>110326
That's definitely an interesting topic. I'm not sure if I'm the best-equipped to go over it, being a reviewer of Writing, rather than of Story, but I'll do my best to ruminate upon the distinctions.

>Web browser poni is best poni
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>>110328
True, but then BEST web browser poni is BEST poni.
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>>110328

Yes, because story-telling and grammatical affluence are two drastically different things. Basically, you're not going to have perfect grammar when you're telling a story around a campfire.

>pic because Opera is best web browser.
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110336
Try something more advanced. Let's see if I can list some here.

-Creating vivid descriptions
|verb choice
|diction
|sensory experience
|avoiding state of being verbs
-Engaging the reader
|Hooks
|how to capture them with language
|cliffhangers, when and when not
|emotional investment
|different genres, different goals
-OC creation
|color scheming (ponies tend to be light colors with very few darks)
|personality, the good and the bad
|not-faults (she's too pretty/smart/athletic)
|believable speech patterns

>>110328
Congratulations on letting Google access and log your website visits, keystrokes in Chrome (including Gdocs), and just about anything they want.
>pic related, it's best web browser
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>>110336
All very good ideas! Thank you!

>implying I think that Google actually cares about what I do online
>> No. 110347
Novel planning and character development. PLEASE.

Honestly, I seem to think that I should have everything PERFECTLY planned out in my head before I write. And since this is tough (and probably impossible) to do, I get discouraged and don't write. It's like I think the novel has to be written in my head before I can actually write it, which is just ridiculous, but my mind is just that irrational sometimes.
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>>110347
Done.

And wow; your reviewer let you out of your cage? Gasp. :D
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>>110336

Not that I want to contest this (even though I obviously want to), but few of those topics are a bit... I'm at a loss of words.

To just give you the gist of my spiel: A few of those topics are a bit restraining, mainly in the last of the Hooks department.

>different genres, different goals

While this may be true in a lot of respects, a good story really has no definite genre when it comes to the bottom line. An adventure story can have a portion of romance while dark stories can have comedic sections to lighten the mood. Sure there are certain 'different' goals, but a good story is, once again, a variable of different genres combined together into a melting pot of awesome.

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>implying that Firefox is better than Opera. You're wrong, good sir. Terribly, terribly wrong.
>> No. 110510
>While this may be true in a lot of respects, a good story really has no definite genre when it comes to the bottom line. An adventure story can have a portion of romance while dark stories can have comedic sections to lighten the mood. Sure there are certain 'different' goals, but a good story is, once again, a variable of different genres combined together into a melting pot of awesome.

Wrong again Raptor. Every story has a genre, even if it incorporates aspects of others. When you look at genres you don't look at the aspects themselves, but rather a) the intent of the author and b) the overall effect created. Sure, a good adventure story may have some dark or romance to it, but at the end of the day it is still a bloody adventure story. Genres are not all encompassing descriptions, but rather are merely a way to classify stories. In this vein, what I was trying to get at is that when you write a romance story, it focuses on different things than a dark story. Romance is more about characters interacting and the building of emotion while dark is based more on tone. Likewise, a comedy story has a particular tone to it that is completely different from the tone you would see in a dark story. Adventure is based more on settings and plot points. Slice-of-life is characterized by the plot and tone together. Even sad has a different tone than dark, and is more based on the way an individual feels.

>>implying that Firefox is better than Opera.
>implying anyone should take advice from you
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>>110510

Don't assume I'm implying that people should take my advice. Secondly, there really is no manual on 'How to write a great story.' My opinion of such things and yours are two drastically different things. Let's leave it at that, shall we? Since this seems to be an argument of opinion, of which I'll have no part of.
>> No. 110562
>>110515
>Don't assume I'm implying that people should take my advice.
Oh, I was just talking about the browsers, though I wouldn't take writing advice either.
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Good luck, I hope you have a merry ol' time. I'll be at work (till about 7) for this one, too, so I probably won't be able to stop by.
>> No. 110777
Remember, everyone- the Workshop is tomorrow, at 3 PM EST! This is your last chance to submit topics for discussion!
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Alrighty, guys! The Livestream is at 3 PM EST or EDT, according to a certain meddlesome bastard on the IRC. However, like last time, I'll be there a bit early. I'll be on in three hours, at approximately 2:30 PM EST, to check technical stuff, and basically to say hi to everyone.

Also! I've got a guest writer person helping out today. You lot might know him as RogerDodger. We'll be chatting over Skype to discuss the topics during the livestream, and answering any other questions that you might have together. The more, the merrier!
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WE ARE LIVE, BITCHES.
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Stream: http://www.livestream.com/goldenvisionswritersworkshop

Because Golden was too silly to put it in before the break.
>> No. 128960
>>110328
Google poni is best poni
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I went and watched the broadcast on pacing, and was pleasantly surprised with its execution. Is there a reason why I can't find past episodes on Youtube or in the past broadcasts area?
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