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118049 No. 118049
#Discussion
So, as you may have read in the last thread I made I've had the idea to make a blog dedicated to fanfiction and that alone. Sort of like Equestria Daily with only fanfics, a showcase of some awesome fics and other stuff. Now, I've got quite a few ideas, but I'm asking you lot whether you've got any more I could implement in.

Feel free to also have a discussion on whether this is a good idea or not.

Here are all my ideas so far:
-Fanfics get a bump for every chapter they release. But you have to wait a minimum of five days before you can get another chapter posted
-A weekly/fortnightly author spotlight, where an author is interviewed or just profiled. The author must be good, or have some interesting stories of course. Readers can suggest some.
-A revamped rules system dedicated to making a site where no massive amount of fics are left out. I won't be letting in clop, and that is the only thing.
-If Gumii is ever made I shall be asking the developer for some sort of implementation of some sorts.
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>> No. 118139
>>118136
Lucky for you, I think I know the exact guy to help me on this little venture.
>> No. 118141
>>118139
Mind if I ask whom? Because I still don't see a website you can show him to make it work.
>> No. 118142
>>118138
You have to realize that one of those is a lot of work, while the other isn't and they both have the same end result.
>> No. 118143
>>118142
That's not true...

You are assuming that the feature box problem is the problem itself rather than the fact the larger populace isn't really looking for good in any real way.

I mean, fix the black box all you want, but if you feed it jelly, you better have an amazing box so it starts spewing gold.
>> No. 118144
>>118141
Actually, turns out he's gone and buggered off. So no, I don't have someone.

>>118142
Not exactly. Look, I want to do this and see how it turns out.
>> No. 118148
>>118143
You're ignoring what I said before.
>Remember, just because someone "Views" a story, doesn't mean that they read the whole thing.
>> No. 118149
>>118148
What has that got to do with anything though? Bumping with every new chapter should help that problem. But it's always a problem with anything.
>> No. 118150
>>118143

>A black box with a receptacle for jelly instead of recording equipment, that apparently nano-converts matter into other things, but only if the right raw materials are put

Brony what the fuck are you talking about
>> No. 118151
>>118144
Well, get cracking.

>>118148
I haven't. I am actually saying that it doesn't matter because the feature box just reflex what people are looking for. It is a sort of vicious circle were people look at what others are looking for, so it gets look at, but then it means more people look at what others are looking.

There is no fixing the feature box in any way you could appreciate a sudden interest in, say, the Carnivore's Prayer, or Starworks.
>> No. 118152
>>118149
Not really, since FimFic already does this.
>> No. 118156
>>118152
Oh, I hate this argument. The "Something with a very different goal has a feature similar to your thing, therefore your thing is terrible!". It's like the whole "mods did it!" thing going on with Skyrim at the moment.

Yes, FimFiction gives a fanfic a little bump everytime it's updated. But you have to click on a seperate tab and then hope your fic isn't buried. With my vision the fic's bump is on the front page for everyone to see, and unlike FimFiction the fics that get to go on the site will be of a much higher standard because not just anyone can post a new fic there.
>> No. 118158
I'd like to reiterate that this isn't limited only to promoting stories. See my suggestions from earlier:

– Essays on writing and general writing tips
– Fruitful interviews (PFV uses the same set of questions each time—very boring)
– Reviews of stories

Those things should be more than enough to distinguish your blog from any existing service.
>> No. 118160
>>118158
Thing is, I'm probably not qualified to do that sort of stuff. Maybe as a sort of casual reviewer, not like the stuff here. Like, I would read a fic then give my honest opinions about it.

I have actually done an interview before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6-nIsb1SN0
Oh yeah, I'm actually 14. Typed the last post out wrong. But anyway, I think doing a voice interview over Skype would be better. Written interviews are very easy to fall into the same trap that the Pony Vault has fallen in because it lacks the human element of a simple chat with questions. I might ask Rob Cakeran or Kkat if they can do it, that would get a massive boost in views.

As for the essays and such, I'm not going to do that. I'm really not good enough to do it, I'm not the best writer after all.
>> No. 118161
>>118160
I want to punch you again.

Look around you, you have /fic/ here, who most likely wouldn't mind helping if the whole thing didn't sounds like a lot of vaporware.

Look at this again: >>92985

You actually think anyone could do all of this on its own? No, that's crazy.

But, if you get a couple of people together, actually DO something, chances are you will get people willing to help (aka Eustatian actually got volunteers and stuff once the thing actually looked like it was going to do something).

So, see these posts: >>118158 / >>92985 , figure where you want to host this, and start asking people who might be willing to help if they can. Worse thing they can say is no. And then you simply get someone else who can.
>> No. 118162
>>118160
>>118151
>>118052

GET WORKING.
>> No. 118163
>>118161
Look, no need to get hostile. This was a thread simply asking what people would want in a fanfiction blog so I know what kind of people I should seek for help and such. It's fulfilled that task perfectly.

Anyway, it's 11pm here in Britain so starting a blog that could suck up tons of my free time and require a heavy level of commitment right now is a bit foolish. Tomorrow's the day I'll be getting some people.
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>>118160
>I'm actually 14.
Ah, the ambition of youth.

You've got a shiny concept here, but I'm not seeing any real framework or moving parts. Your inentions are reasonably clear but I ain't seen how you'll get from A to B.
>> No. 118165
>>118161
And anyway, I've already worked a bit on the design of the blog and such. And I've decided that Blogger is the best bet for something like this.
>> No. 118166
Alright, so if I'm not mistaken, the driving force behind these talks is to fix the supposed problem this fandom has in that it has no place that truly does a good job highlighting fics, right? EqD used to have this job but because of the sheer amount of content they receive now, they cannot adequately highlight fanfiction anymore and no other site has decided to carry the torch, correct?

Assuming the above paragraph has properly addressed the issue, a few things:

1) How does the Fimfiction feature box not fulfill this role? Is it broken in need of fixing? Or is it a lost cause?

2) If One Man's Pony Ramblings and the Pony Fiction Vault are solutions to the EqD problem (as I think it's been stated a few times), why is there still this demand for solutions? Are they not popular enough? Are they lacking something fundamental?

3) Why is there talk of doing other things on this hypothetical new blog? If it's simply supposed to fix the highlighting problem, why not start there and then work on including other things later, or are these additional features necessary for the blog to work?

/endless questions
>> No. 118168
>>118164
That's what today has been, a day for building up the concept and plans. Tomorrow is when I'll be releasing some google docs detailing my plans and who I might need to help make this thing a possibility.

>>118166
>1) How does the Fimfiction feature box not fulfill this role? Is it broken in need of fixing? Or is it a lost cause?

The Fimfiction feature box is only based on popularity and popularity alone, not quality. For example, I've seen terribly written fics there just because they had some sort of meta joke or something that made them popular. It's not a good way of featuring the best of the fandom, more a glorified popular posts box.

>
2) If One Man's Pony Ramblings and the Pony Fiction Vault are solutions to the EqD problem (as I think it's been stated a few times), why is there still this demand for solutions? Are they not popular enough? Are they lacking something fundamental?

One Man's Pony Ramblings is a review blog mainly. But, it only reviews fics that have gotten the 6-star rating on EQD. And since they've dumped the rating system on EQD then no new an amazing fics can be posted. And really, it's a personal blog not a blog to feature other fics.

Pony Fiction Vault is really just what it's name implies. A vault for older fics to be put so people can download them and put them on their ebooks. It doesn't "feature" new stories, it simply picks some of the best and makes them into a readable format.

>3) Why is there talk of doing other things on this hypothetical new blog? If it's simply supposed to fix the highlighting problem, why not start there and then work on including other things later, or are these additional features necessary for the blog to work?

They're not necessary for the blog to work of course, but they're definitely an important part. If I just featured fics but bumped them fore very new chapter than it would basically just be EQD but with only fanfics. Those things I've proposed are sure fire ways for the blog to do something new that I haven't really seen before in any decent pony blog. Say, getting an interview with Kkat or Pen Stroke or RobCakeran would garner a LOT of views for the site, which will in turn get more people wanting their fics on there which will get more views for the site. It's a very good way to get popular.
>> No. 118170
Oh hey.

You're the guy I talked to in IRC a while ago.

My Little Problem was pretty great if only because of the competent writing compared with a highly reasonable yet slightly fucked-up premise.
>> No. 118192
>>118166
>1) How does the Fimfiction feature box not fulfill this role? Is it broken in need of fixing? Or is it a lost cause?

The problem with the feature box is it's run by a bot. From what I can gather, it weighs the number of views vs. the number of up-votes. Therein lies the problem, like Toasty said: You can have a horribly written story with some meta-joke or meme, 50 people read it, and 25 like it. Therefore, it has a like-to-view ratio of 50%. Ergo, it's featured.

The solution? Put a person in charge of it. I have no idea how much BS that would entail, so I'm not bitching about it. I couldn't do it, so I can't start demanding changes. They hosted my story, so I'm happy.

Though, I WOULD kind of like to see some more quality control. I think the site has grown enough that they could hire some dedicated pre-readers. Not on EqD level, mind you, but at least someone to keep out the crap with no punctuation or foal-fooling.
>> No. 118193
>>118170
What's My Little Problem? What are you talking about exactly?
>> No. 118224
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118224
To OP and everyone else here: If you haven't yet read >>92985, please do, as well as the rest of that thread. It brings up a number of weaknesses in the current system, and a number of good proposals for what the site could/should include.

One of the points brought up repeatedly is that stories should be compelling enough to be posted. An issue of "this is really great and needs to be posted" instead of "I can't find anything wrong with this so I guess I'll post it". As such, I like the idea of crowd-sourcing a solution. Everyone here knows their personal favorite stories, or criminally under-read stories, so let's start there. Stories come in via referrals, rather than self-promotion. This hopefully helps with the incoming volume issue. EQD rejects about 80% of the fics sent its way, according to that table they publish. If this blog were to receive that volume, then by definition it would reject even more fics, which wastes both the reviewers' time and the authors' time. If a fic has to be so good that another individual takes the time to submit it to this blog and even write up a few sentences on why it deserves to be there, then that saves the reviewers a lot of time.
>Flaws: Very popular writers are nearly-guaranteed to have fans submit their works. Under-read authors are, by definition, under-read, and unlikely to be suggested by anypony unless the reviewers themselves discover their work. Some authors might have a crony who recommends all their work no matter how awful, and/or the author might pester all their FimFic readers to submit to this blog, but the reviewers still have it within their discretion to reject any fic sent their way.

The most common complaint about EQD prereaders is that standards are an inconsistent crapshoot. That complaint is followed closely by that some fics that are posted do not meet my minimum standards (which are, of course, what everypony's standards should be). My suggestion is two-part: remove anonymity, and have at least two reviewers review each story. By remove anonymity, what I mean is having a static handle. It doesn't need to be tied to a public email, and it doesn't need to be the same as your author handle. So whether you want to be Reviewer Pav Feira, or Reviewer Twilight Sparkle, that's fine. But have a handle. Be an entity. When a story is accepted, it's made public that Pav Feira and Twilight Sparkle accepted it. When a story is reviewed, it is reviewed by Pav Feira and Twilight Sparkle, preferably in a script format, like how zines/websites sometimes present interviews. Pav spent a few paragraphs talking about how the characterization felt off. Twilight Sparkle agreed, but countered that the world-building is quite ambitious, and both of them agreed that the comedy is nonpareil, thus it's still worth a read.

The reason for this is simple: reviews are built on trust. No one will ever see eye-to-eye with you on every piece of entertainment, let alone equine fiction. Every potential reviewer will like one story you hate, and hate on the story you consider to be the pinnacle of the fandom. As such, recruit reviewers who have sound opinions and good judgment, but don't fret over it beyond a certain point. Much as how sites like Yahoo News, IGN, etc host articles written by contributors, so should this blog. By having a static handle, people can make their own informed opinions about each reviewer. I personally think Pav Feira is too easy, but he at least gives detailed feedback. I personally think Twilight Sparkle can read my mind when it comes to romantic comedy, but her opinions on sadfics are shite. Everypony will have their own opinion about how much/little they trust each reviewer, and they can use this to make informed decisions. Of course, if visitor feedback overwhelmingly states that Pav Feira is too easy all of my exes agree then the site admins can pass that feedback to the reviewer, or even replace the reviewer if they're not up to snuff (thereby fixing a stagnation issue that the EQD PRs bring up on occasion).
>Flaws: Hatemail hatemail hatemail. This probably promotes the need for obscured handles like Twilight Sparkle rather than used-elsewhere handles like Pav Feira. But as mentioned, it's okay to not like things but don't be a dick about it, and said hate may be useful feedback. I'm not sure that a few vulgar emails is a sufficient deterrent, especially if it's restricted to one central feedback email address.

Reviewers could even specialize, if done carefully. Maybe Daring Do only does adventure and longfics. Cranky Doodle Donkey only does old, under-appreciated fics. I say "if done carefully" because of the above point about trusting individual reviewers. You wouldn't want Lyra and Bon Bon to do all of their reviews as a static tag-team, because what if someone doesn't trust either of their reviews? You'd want review groups to be shuffled a bit, so that even if I don't trust Lyra's reviews, maybe she'll get paired up with someone I trust more.

On the note of "this is really great and needs to be posted" fics, I don't think there's a particular obligation to maintain a queue like EQD, where every story is guaranteed to get a look over. It should be more treated like an ask-pony tumblr, wherein you're welcome to recommend fic X as much as you'd like (although like EQD, a 3-strike system would save everyone the heartache of repeated prompts for fic X), but I'll ignore those recommendations if it doesn't look interesting. If you wanna increase the odds of me reading it, then sell me on it when you recommend it to the blog.

I'm kinda getting psyched on this idea. Since efforts were already put underway on Pegasus Quill and Solar Flare, is there any interest in reviving those efforts (rather than building up a third spec from scratch)? Filler? Eustian? Anypony?
>> No. 118226
>>118224
I agree. It'd do good to consider the place not as a showcase, nor a place where stories are "accepted or denied" per se, but rather a place where stories are presented alongside reviews for the reader to make the decision.

Two sets of volunteers would be necessary, in a way: the "slush readers" that Eustatian wanted, to determine which works have something substantial to discuss/review, and the reviewers. (Naturally you could have overlap between the two.)

It's important to try not to be "EqD, but done my way", but instead provide a service that the market hasn't seen already.
>> No. 118228
>>118224
I put the Pegasus Quill aside because I didn't think I could do it alone. That was in part because I wanted to make sure that all of the stories are fully edited, which... I was doing alone, and I burnt out on that.

Also a factor was Eustatian's Solar Flare. I wanted to see where that was going, since it looked like he had a solid plan and all that.

I have ideas on how such a blog would work, but at this point, they're just ideas. My email's in my name if you want to discuss it because you're not in #fic at the time of this posting.
>> No. 118230
... will be posted tomorrow. Pav Fiera's post has convinced me to change a lot about the site, so that's why it hasn't been posted today. It'll basically say exactly what features the blog will have, exactly what kinds of people I'll need and the rules that I have laid out in terms of what fics are allowed to be posted.
>> No. 118237
I have a question. Have any of you asked Knightly if he's doing anything to try and fix the feature box? Maybe if enough of us bug him, he'll do something about it.
>> No. 118239
>>118237
We'd have to know the current implementation specifics and what data is actually available to be of any help. Somehow I think he doesn't want that made public.

A simple thing that I figure should be done is using site views rather than time for things, e.g., post stories every x site views rather than every 10 minutes. That way, what time of day something is posted doesn't affect its exposure.
>> No. 118240
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>>118237
I think the Samurai has talked to him before, or was at least planning to.

I've shopped the idea around of weighted reviews before. So, assuming things were moved back to the star system, there would be an algorithm (forgive me if my jargon is inaccurate) that would track how you rate stories. If you only hand out fives on a silver platter or puke up ones for Fluttershy ship that doesn't include Big Macintosh as the second part of the equation, your reviews would slowly be devalued. Being varied and properly utilizing all of the score bar would keep you at regular weighting. Active users could attain higher weighting by making meaningful comments/reviews and publishing quality stories.

I also suggested that only published authors that had achieved a modest number of views/ratings would be able to rate other stories, thereby keeping people from making a bunch of throw-away profiles and spamming ratings. If you want to have a say in the system, you have to contribute to it yourself and also be subject to it. That is, of course, a very rough idea and still needs a lot of fine-tuning.

The Samurai suggested that only users could give a story a pass to be published. In essence, you would have, say, a single vote. If used, you would have to wait an hour before voting again. After a story receives enough votes it would be published onto the site proper. In order to entice people to read the stories waiting for votes, there would be token rewards like titles (So, if a username was Trixie and they contributed to the system, they could earn a "Great and Powerful" title), more votes an hour, stuff like that.
I'm probably butchering his idea, so ask him if you want a real explanation.
>> No. 118243
>>118240
So writers would be intimidated into not writing, readers would have to grind for badges, and all in all the site would probably turn out worse than fanfiction.net.

I think I'd go back to pony fiction archive if that ever came to pass.
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>>118243
>Not mad, just dissapoint
It would be a peer-review system. If you have a way to allow users to submit their own work that would allow for minimal micro-management and help maintain a semi-decent level of quality, I'm all ears. Knocking something without proposing an improvement or even giving detailed reasons behind your thin criticisms is in rather poor taste.

>So writers would be intimidated into not writing
They would be enticed to produce quality work to make sure they get published. Since each user only has one vote, they can't just dole them out. They have to look at a story and seriously think "Does this warrant the use of a limited resource?" It forces them to be critical and gauge which work is better than others.

>readers would have to grind for badges
Badges are nothing more than marks of renown. There is nothing necessary about them (as your use of "would" seems to imply) and their only use is bragging rights.

> and all in all the site would probably turn out worse than fanfiction.net.
Here is a baseless opinion. Look, I am throwing it around.
>> No. 118251
>>118245
>Badges are nothing more than marks of renown. There is nothing necessary about them

Hats. People grind for days to get hats on TF2.
They'll grind for badges too. Just give them something to grind and they'll try to get it, however stupid it might be.
>> No. 118274
>>118245
The whole point of the site is that any story can be posted, and that's the way it should remain.

The idea of giving badge rewards sounds like it'll work about as well as extraction information through torture. Some people will be wanting to grind for badges as fast as they can, and won't genuinely care about the vote they make. On the other hand, this whole system sounds awful. From readers choosing what's approved, to certain figures holding more sway with their opinions, to badge reward system, you're turning reading into a chore, and pushing people too hard make an account.

Fimfiction is meant to publish all fanfiction (that is actually fanfiction in a proper story format). The ideas listed above are a very fast way to making a very unpopular site.

That being said, I wouldn't mind new accounts having to wait 3 days before being able to rate stories, or something.
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>>118224
>Reviewers could even specialize, if done carefully. Maybe Daring Do only does adventure and longfics. Cranky Doodle Donkey only does old, under-appreciated fics. I say "if done carefully" because of the above point about trusting individual reviewers. You wouldn't want Lyra and Bon Bon to do all of their reviews as a static tag-team, because what if someone doesn't trust either of their reviews? You'd want review groups to be shuffled a bit, so that even if I don't trust Lyra's reviews, maybe she'll get paired up with someone I trust more.
That... That is actually quite interesting, and not just because it opens a chance to have a reviewer called Patchouli Knowledge (pic related). In fact, it sounds like the groundwork for something we could adapt for the TG should the need for more structure arise.

Also, tangentially related, I like the idea of public pseudonyms for posted stories. The reviewers behind the pseudonyms get their ego stroked some form of acknowledgement, and is still perfectly safe under their own penname should their opinions somehow suck in relation to the vocal populace. That's just a long way of saying that the idea sounds fun, which is rather important in having a volunteer workforce that will stick around.
>> No. 118292
>>118251
Precisely. A little trinket and people go nuts. With that in place they'll be all over the new story queue trying to earn some lovely doohickey. My only problem was that he said they would have to when there's nothing more than your e-peen on the line.

>>118274
>The whole point of the site is that any story can be posted, and that's the way it should remain.
The whole point is that your story can be posted and will be subject to peer review. Sure, you can post your story, but it may not be published onto the site proper. Writers can't bitch about Pre-Reader bias (although I'm sure they'll find something else) when it's the community that shuts them down.

> you're turning reading into a chore
If you want to read, you can read. Nothing stops people from doing that. Get your facts straight.

>me people will be wanting to grind for badges as fast as they can, and won't genuinely care about the vote they make.
Businesses have been using this to great effect for centuries in the form of stock bonuses and the like. Rotten Tomatoes has their "Super Reviewer" status and they're the largest movie-review website in the world, so they're obviously doing something right with that. N4G and its sister sites have a sidebar with the best user reviewers and they're the biggest tech-news aggregate on the web. When someone makes an awesome review, they get bonuses, renown, even a place on the front page. People love that shit, they want that attention and, best of all, they get that warm fuzzy feeling that they're contributing to the site as a whole while also helping an individual writer improve themselves.
Of course there'll be a few people that abuse the system, but that's why there can be other checks in place against them. Requiring that they give a reason for their vote would be an obvious one and it's not like there can't be a system that looks at their page time and says "Well, he spent five seconds on this page and made a vote, which is probably bullshit."

>Fimfiction is meant to publish all fanfiction
Thanks, Captain Obvious.

>The ideas listed above are a very fast way to making a very unpopular site.
This site isn't about publishing every piece of crap that comes its way, it's to make a peer-driven system where the users have the ultimate say in what stays and what goes. They have power and everyone craves that to some degree. Not only that, but it teaches them via necessity to be critical, so it's also a stealth education tool, one that our culture desperately needs.

>That being said, I wouldn't mind new accounts having to wait 3 days before being able to rate stories, or something.
People could still make ten accounts and just wait a bit. That's why the "Published Story" requirement is there, since if you want all of those alts you have to earn them, otherwise people could just vote their own story up. Plenty of sites do this, from forums that only let newbies post in a small area for X number of posts and Y number of days to review sites like Metacritic that require reviewers to have a certain number of page views and weights them via an algorithm.

Right now, I could publish a mediocre story onto Fimfiction and, within a few minutes, make a dozen puppet profiles to vote it up, putting it well on the way to Featured status. This is the system you seem to think is superior, where one guy can easily screw it over with a minimum of effort.

>>118279
This has merit. Still, this bit--
>The reviewers behind the pseudonyms get their ego stroked some form of acknowledgement, and is still perfectly safe under their own penname should their opinions somehow suck in relation to the vocal populace.
--reminds me of the mods here on Ponychan and the trouble that came when their names were leaked by disgruntled friends or ex-mods. Assuming they wanted to keep it secret, of course.
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>subject to peer review

I have a complaint about this. Stories on fimfiction are already subject to peer review via the upvote/downvote system. But badly rated stories don't fail to get published on the site. They still find a few readers. That seems to me important.

If you raise those basic stakes, the required minimum hurdle for getting any publicity, then you'll only introduce more division into the community. On the one hand, there are enough low-minded readers to ensure any half-decent clopfiction or rauchy jokefic (or lol-so-random or omg-so-meta) gets published, despite whatever protests the literati may stage. Then you'll have anger about "why X got posted but Y got rejected", charges of arbitrariness, and so on. Then you'll have readers and writers developing fucking philosophies of acceptance/rejection, and they'll split into factions, the feelies who think "This story gave me deep feels, +1 accept" vs. the elitists who like to trump up, in a load of objective-sounding bullshit, an argument of the form "This isn't as good as White Box, therefore reject" vs. the love&tolerance crew who think EVERY story deserves acceptance, vs. the anti-shipping starbombing trolls, and so on.

Then, given that the ones doing the "peer-reviewing" all have different standards, the entire system could seem like a sort of mob rule. And that's basically what we have now on fimfiction, but it's not such a big deal because the stories still get published to the site. Raising the stakes, handing MORE power to the mob, can only inflame emotions.
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>>118304
The stories are still "on" the site, they're just not eligible to become part of the main system, meaning they can't get featured and other such perks.

Yes, but the difference is that you only have one vote. Users that make quality reviews and provide detailed reasons behind their votes get more of them and have their opinions weighted more heavily. In time, contributing posters will receive enough bonuses to outstrip the drooling masses.

>Then you'll have anger about "why X got posted but Y got rejected", charges of arbitrarines arbitrariness
People can only blame the community for not voting their story in.

Power is being given to those who stand out from the mob. Everyone is equal at the start, but some are made more equal than others because they prove they're capable of being critical and helpful.
>> No. 118334
>>118292
The thing is, you're using sites like metacritic, rotten tomatoes, and N4G as examples. But those are reviewing sites, and fimfiction is not, and shouldn't ever be.

>Right now, I could publish a mediocre story onto Fimfiction and, within a few minutes, make a dozen puppet profiles to vote it up, putting it well on the way to Featured status. This is the system you seem to think is superior, where one guy can easily screw it over with a minimum of effort.

Except if you do this, the mods will catch wind, ban you, and delete the story. You're wanting to make fimfiction into something it's not, assuming you're still talking about making these changes to fimfiction, which was what your initial message said.

This is not a massive community like readers of published literature, or movie goers, this is my little pony fanfiction, and we don't need a metacritic to judge stories. It's fanfiction. You know how you can sort of tell when something will fail? This idea would fail. You do not have the right audience for it, and I think you're ignoring that fact.

If this system went through? Most people would never touch the unapproved fic pile, leaving fics to not be judged by the community, but a small unscrupulous pile of reviewers with no qualifications. People would hate it. Authors who get rejected would hate it and give up on fanfiction, readers would feel like content they may have liked is being held back, people are going to want to dispute every single pass or fail, and what would this even change? The community will pass the feature box fodder, the same way the feature box fodder reaches the feature box in the first place. If the quality is really decided by the community, it would likely end up somewhere close to exactly where it is right now, only more convoluted and terrible. You are completely ignoring the reader demographic of my little pony fanfiction.

So yes, this idea would crash and burn, and it's full of wishful, and unrealistic, thinking.
>> No. 118337
>>118334
>You do not have the right audience for it, and I think you're ignoring that fact.

>Looks at /fic/, where people said the exact same things.

I believe you are being stubborn at this point.
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>>118328
>>118334
>A Metacritic for FiMfiction
This could work as a separate site. Right now the only thing like it is the individual user's favorites lists.
>> No. 118340
>>118337
I believe you're just ignoring the actual plausibility of the idea. No one in charge of running the site would even think of using an idea like this.

/fic/ is by no means close to a representation of the community at large.
>> No. 118345
>>118334
I had a nice reply made, and then the browser derped.

Short version:
I'm talking about a new site. I should have made it more clear. Heck, it would hardly even have to be solely dedicated to MLP. I believe such a project could and would benefit all writers on the internet.

It would be easy to go to any of the half-dozen public computers within walking distance of my house, assuming I even needed to use different IPs at all. The system is as broken as it is easily abused.

The fandom is quite large, actually. Many stories on FimFiction have more comments than movies on Rotten Tomatoes.

>It's fanfiction.
That is the same excuse a bad writer gives for their shitty story. You know what my reply to it is?
Fuck.
That.
That is not a justification, it isn't even a proper excuse. People want quality, you just have to show what it can do for them first. FimFiction is like looking for rhinestones in a dung pile.

> This idea would fail. You do not have the right audience for it, and I think you're ignoring that fact.
If you build it, they will come. I think you're ignoring the fact that there's more than just FimFiction, just as there are people in FimFiction that want more than what it can offer.

>So yes, this idea would crash and burn, and it's full of wishful, and unrealistic, thinking.
And yet you have not offered even a single alternative of your own, despite the fact that the current system that you so doggedly defend is far from ideal, never mind perfect.
Your lack of faith in our ability to think and grow is as disappointing as your lack of constructive critique, which is rather the whole point of the idea in the first place.
Your argument is built off of abstracts and the single-minded insistence that it won't work. There is no true precedent for this, yet you believe it can't end any other way than disaster. Frankly, I have found you to be a rather poor partner in this duet of ideologies. I am all for being proven to be wrong via factual evidence, but your simply saying as much accomplishes little and only serves to widen the rift.

>>118337
Precisely. /fic/ itself is a testament to how, with the proper environment and system, great things can be made.

>>118338
I love that pic.

>>118340
And I believe you are dismissing it out of hand on no more than a whim.
>> No. 118352
>>118345
Ion, don't listen to SLP, just make this site. It's not like he can stop you. I care enough about fanfiction to actually learn the necessary coding if you need any help.
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>>118352
Oh, I wish I had the kind of drive to do it, to learn how to do it. I'm just the idea guy. This, all of this, it's just me musing (with some borrowing from the good Samurai).
>> No. 118356
>>118354
I've lurked /collab/ enough to know that an “ideas guy” is next to useless.
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>>118356
As much as I resent it, I can't disagree with that.
>> No. 118358
>>118340
Well, if you had bothered to read you would know that I am trying to say this:

If you had told me that /fic/ would have become a place where things are organized, people get helpful advice, and is all things not fanfiction year and half ago, I would have laughed at you because /fic/ clearly sucked [use your imagination, but it involves a donkey] for anything like that. You would have gotten better luck in fanfiction.net.

Well, shit, I can't say that now, can I?

Now look. From where I see it, you are either being actively pessimistic without any reason, or just being stubborn for the sake of thinking you are right. Other places have run similar systems and have made them their own. Why it couldn't work here, when /fic/ kind of did something similar, isn't something I can get.
>> No. 118360
>>118345
I looked at your previous message, and by all means it looked like you were talking about imposing these changes to fimfiction. Which sounded downright silly.

Starting a new blog or new site to do this kind of thing would be feasible. It wasn't clear from your message, but it looked like you wanted to change fimfiction, which I think would be a mistake, since the site fills its role (more or less) perfectly.

"It's fanfiction" isn't to say that you shouldn't give a fuck about quality, it's to say that most people don't give a fuck about quality when it comes to fanfiction, so imposing those kind of requirements on the mainstream site would have caused uproar, rioting, flipped tables, and a team of angry neckbeards sending equally angry messages to knighty.

I stand firm in my belief that imposing those kind of changes to fimfiction would be stupid as hell, and questionable of how much interest that kind of 'hardcore' rating site would garner from the community
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>>118360
No, the plan is more to replace EqD as the go-to place for high-quality stories. Perhaps edge out FimFiction, too and leave them the rejects, which wouldn't really be much of a change from the current status quo of them picking up those denied entrance onto EqD. There would also be the bonus of making a sort of mega-/fic/ and encouraging a more constructive writing and reviewing experience.

People don't care about quality because they haven't truly experienced it. If you had someone that ate frozen pizza all their life and they tried some from the local Italian pizzeria, to say they would be dumbstruck by the sheer change in quality that they'd never go back. This is the idea; to give people stories that are so engaging that they simply wouldn't be able to look at the shipping dreck they used to claim was "amazing". Before people know what quality is, they must first be introduced to it.

My only suggestion for FimFiction would be the weighted ratings since that would allow for a scale instead of the binary thumbs up/down that's in place, thereby giving a more accurate depiction of a story's quality. With bombers having their one-votes rendered neglible and high-fivers not being able to peddle their good feels, the way would be left open for more educated readers to give an accurate rating.

Oh, and a dead time between making a profile and being able to vote on stories, but that was something you didn't seem to have any qualms with.
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