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#Discussion #Equestria Daily

Previous thread >>120150

Hello again, fillies and gentlecolts, and welcome to the sixteenth installment of the “Ask An Equestria Daily Pre-Reader Anything Thread”! Feel free to ask us anything* and we’ll do our best to answer.

*Anything that has to do with Equestria Daily, the pre-reading process, fanfiction, alcohol, regrets, or Nicolas Cage. Keep questions on other subjects to a minimum.

We’d also like to include a brief FAQ in this initial post, since we seem to hear a lot of the same questions:

Q: How long does the pre-reading process take?
A: Depends entirely on how many pre-readers have free time and how interesting the story looks. Could be an hour, could be a week or more.

Q: Am I allowed to respond to pre-reader feedback?
A: Yes. If you feel that we were incorrect in some assessment of your story or you wish to discuss possible revisions, feel free to bring it up in a reply email. Just try to be polite about it.
Oh, you can also send a reply to just say “Thank you.” We like that.

Q: My story was rejected despite the fact that my FimFiction/DeviantArt/Fanfiction.net audience loves it. What’s the deal with that?
A: Congratulations on having a story that’s well liked! However, Equestria Daily tends to have much higher quality standards than the sites mentioned above. Don’t be upset about being rejected; use it as an opportunity to make your story even better. We’ll be happy to look at it again once edits have been made.

Q: How does the Three Strike policy work?
A: Authors have three chances to submit their work before we stop adding it to the pre-reader queue. Every rejection counts as one “strike”. The idea is to have authors edit their work sufficiently -before- submitting it. We’re not editors, and there’s been a growing issue with authors thinking we are. Bear in mind that if a story is really close to being approved and is on its third strike, we’ll give it a bit of leeway. This policy is more to cover stories that haven’t had any significant changes made despite multiple submissions.

Q: Can I ask who my pre-reader was?
A: Yes, but they’re not obligated to tell you. Some of us prefer to remain anonymous.

Q: I was told to post my story on FimFiction. Why is that?
A: Generally when we recommend FimFiction it’s because we believe a story will do better there than it would on Equestria Daily. Don’t be offended. EqD and FimFiction just serve different purposes. And yes, you can submit different stories to us for review.

Q: Do you ban/blacklist authors?
A: No. However, in cases where authors have been particularly rude to us or the blogponies, we generally wait for some sort of apology before looking at their work again.

Q: Who is worst pony?
A. Rarity. A thousand times Rarity.

Queue Information: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtvMttKpjm7udHZfLTdTd0lDcFFQRmpDMDdhUlJUQlE&single=true&gid=18&output=html
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>> No. 122971
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>>122969
>twilestia drink
God damn it Vim
>> No. 122974
>>122829
(Will it work? I quoted a message from the previous thread, please tell me how to do it correctly if I'm wrong)

>I cannot emphasize enough that this is an entirely inaccurate statement.

>While some PRs do give quotes to stories they thought stood out, some give quotes on a whim, and some don't give quotes at all. And in any case, a story may happen to suit a particular reader's taste more than he might have expected. You're potentially missing out on some good reading as a result.

1) Still... If a friend of mine told me "I've read this book, I advise you to read it as well.", without saying anything more (pretty much like a PR who accepts a story for EQD without giving it a quote), it'd make me think "Well, he doesn't seem so enthusiast about this book, so it'll not worth its read". Same for stories on EQD without quotes.

2) If this guy had added something like "Well, the plot is awesome, original, and there are a lot of jokes, I'm sure you'll love it! Also, the characterization is great, etc.", I'd think "Whoa, it stucks with him, I guess this is an awesome story, I'll read it asap".


You say that some PRs don't give a quote at all, no matter how good the story is. Well, because of them, I'd think the same way I presented in 1).

Let's face it, if you want to present a good story you really liked to a community, you'll not say "I accepted this story for EQD, period." There's something more that you'll explain in the quote. Otherwise, we'll just think that the story just fits the EQD's standards and didn't make the PR think "Awesome! I'm tell 'em it's one of the best comedy fics I've ever seen here/whatever", thus not making us more likely to read the story.


After all, it's not an unreasonable proposition to ask the PRs to take a few minutes in order to write a few sentences for an awesome story which took 20 minutes to read (and several hours for the author himself).
>> No. 122975
>>122974
I think you have a point, but I'm not one for speculation. For stories linked to Fimction you can check the number of referrers they get from EqD. Compare the numbers of those with pre-reader quotes to those without them, and then you'll have some statistical backing to your conjecture.
>> No. 122976
>>122974
>(and several hours for the author himself)
I envy whatever author only needs a several hours to write an awesome story.


I'd imagine that part of it is that lots of stories that get sent in are incomplete. Imagine this: The first chapter--the only chapter--that is sent in is absolutely amazing. It sets up the conflict, introduces the characers, and paints the setting in an amazing manner. Its setup is so gripping that not only are you left wanting more, you're driven to approve of its posting posthaste. However, all that the chapter is is setup. What would you say about it then?

>"This story's first chapter is amazing. The characters feel so alive, the setting so vivid. I can't wait to see where the author takes it--even to those who aren't fans of this story's genre, I highly recommend it."

Sounds great, doesn't it?

Now imagine that quote, rehashed or reworded, for every Chapter 1 that goes up. As the number PR quotes go up, the value of one goes down. At that point, it'll be "those with PR quotes that aren't obviously generic" that'll be worth reading. And not every story that gets sent in can have a non-generic quote because of whatever circumstances. The problem persists. (I guess PRs can move onto rehashing the synopsis, but that would be a temporary solution at best.)

And that's in the case of amazing first chapters. There are stories, incomplete or not, that are posted not because they're amazing but because they're good enough.

Related: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-top-20-most-annoying-book-reviewer-cliches-and-how-to-use-them-all-one-meaningless-review

And given what I'm about to say, this seems like a non-issue.


>>122975
Data pulled off of http://www.equestriadaily.com/search/label/Story and the stories' respective FIMFic stats pages:

Story: Dark Knight of Canterlot
Posted on EQD: Sunday, October 21, 2012; 10:00 AM
Stats: www.equestriadaily.com ( 1947 referrals ) // 2,026 ( 2,026 )
Quote: "This story is a perfect example of a farce: everything begins on perfectly logical, interesting terms, but as the story progresses, events spiral out of control so much that the reader is left wondering along with the characters what in Celestia's name could possibly happen next! This is one of the funniest things I've seen come through our submissions. I highly recommend this." -Pre-reader who likes sky pirates
EQD Tags: Comedy, Random

Story: The Saga of Dark Demon King Ravenblood Nightblade, Interior Design Alicorn
Posted on EQD: Saturday, October 20, 2012; 12:00 PM
Stats: www.equestriadaily.com ( 2505 referrals ) // 6,590 ( 7,922 )
Quote: "Woah, woah, woah. I know what you're thinking, but this is legitimately hilarious. Give it a look; it is worth your while." -Pre-reader who likes sky pirates
EQD Tags: Comedy, Random

Story: The Late Twilight Sparkle
Posted on EQD: Friday, October 19, 2012
Stats: www.equestriadaily.com ( 2759 referrals ) // 3,593 ( 3,593 )
Quote: None
EQD Tags: Slice of Life

Story: Things Rainbow Dash Doesn't Like
Posted on EQD: Thursday, October 18, 2012; 6:00 PM
Stats: www.equestriadaily.com ( 3551 referrals ) // 2,801 ( 9,210 )
Quote: None
EQD Tags: Random

Length of prereader quote is inversely proportional to views. Fancy that. I'd imagine that stories that get PR quotes are more niche or out-there than anything else, so mainstream quoteless stories get more views by nature than by PR suggestion. (Or maybe stories might do better without PR quotes.)
>> No. 122979
>>122976
I guess it should be noted that the stories there, as they get older, have more views. Here's another data point.

Story: Twi Hard 2: Twi Harder
Post date: Tuesday, October 9, 2012; 8:00 PM
Stats: www.equestriadaily.com ( 1804 referrals ) // 2,926 ( 2,926 )
Quote: This story, it made me laugh. I thoroughly enjoyed this romp. This, right here, is what happens if you cross MLP with an action movie. -Pre-reader 23.
Tags: [Random]

Older story, only a hundred more views, and still less references than the oldest of the four stories I presented. PR quotes don't do much when it comes to views, it appears.
>> No. 122980
>>122976
In that case, why keep them? Between the coverart and synopsis, the author is capable of selling their story without reviewerspeak muddying things up. As 63.456 said, the approval itself is enough.

Let's take a look at each story with quotes.

>This story is a perfect example of a farce: everything begins on perfectly logical, interesting terms, but as the story progresses, events spiral out of control so much that the reader is left wondering along with the characters what in Celestia's name could possibly happen next! This is one of the funniest things I've seen come through our submissions. I highly recommend this.

Does this make you want to read it? That's a whole paragraph and I don't even know what the story is about. Well, it came before the synopsis...

>Every pony that's ever met Prince Blueblood knows he's a spoiled rich idiot who doesn't give a damn about anything but himself. But what nopony realizes is that his behavior is an act to throw them off the trail. When the sun sets and darkness falls, Prince Blueblood reveals his true identity as the protector of the night and defender of the innocent.

Unless you like reading unsubstantial drivel, there's no way that the previous paragraph is at all better than this. It's a tongue-in-cheek Batman parody with Blueblood as the star. Infinitely better.

Next up:

>Woah, woah, woah. I know what you're thinking, but this is legitimately hilarious. Give it a look; it is worth your while.

I'd hope so, because otherwise why would you approve it?

>This story sets out to tell a tale of bravery interlaced with a new-found hope and ardor for life, and it succeeds on every single level. I cannot recommend this story enough; this author has some serious talent, and it's a joy to see such well-crafted prose at work. Read this.

Meaningless.

>This story, it made me laugh. I thoroughly enjoyed this romp. This, right here, is what happens if you cross MLP with an action movie.

More meaningless drivel.

>A story that provides a clinic on how to handle multiple genres while leaving a character's personality intact.

Better. At least it's short and to the point.

>A fic that handles emotionally charged relationships and situations with a soft touch and engaging reflections.

Again better. Perhaps the pre-reader who likes sky pirates should take some notes from his colleagues?

>This is a truly chilling look at how one's potential can go horribly, horribly wrong. Anyone looking for a more cerebral sort of horror will not walk away from this unsatisfied. I highly, highly recommend this.

Oh, pre-reader who likes sky pirates is back...

I've changed my mind. Just stop the pre-reader who likes sky pirates from putting quotes up.
>> No. 122981
>>122980
>In that case, why keep them?
Because we like to occasionally remind the EqD readership that:
-We exist.
-We have opinions on stories, and we're not just faceless fic-rejecting robots.
-Some stories are more worth their time to read.

They also make the authors happy and, frankly, that's enough of a reason for me. I really couldn't care less how efficient it is or if the quotes we're using are "meaningless drivel." Unless they're actively harming a story's chance of success, you can actually just ignore them. That is an option.
>> No. 122984
>>122981
>We exist.
>We have opinions on stories, and we're not just faceless fic-rejecting robots.
So it's for you, then? According to the numbers Filler pulled up they're hurting the authors more than helping them.

>Some stories are more worth their time to read.
>>112829
>I cannot emphasize enough that this is an entirely inaccurate statement.

>While some PRs do give quotes to stories they thought stood out, some give quotes on a whim, and some don't give quotes at all. And in any case, a story may happen to suit a particular reader's taste more than he might have expected.
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>>122984
Not to butt in or anything, but since the cover image is a larger factor than PR quotes, seeing as it has a stronger presence, I can't help but feel that the correlation to views isn't strong enough to call out anything concrete. If they all didn't have images, on the other hand... And there's the age, too. As well as time posted, because the morning ones (I think) generally don't get half as much exposure, on account of the a good chunk of viewership being in school at that time...

>>122981
>They also make the authors happy
As someone who was pretty psyched at getting a pre-reader to chip in in the first ten comments of mai furst fic on EqD, I have to say that this is true. For what it's worth, of course.
>> No. 122990
Why does this sound like another of those "Well, things aren't ideal, but what can you do" kind of discussions?
>> No. 122991
>>122990
Because things aren't ideal and people are (someone is) thinking of things to do about it.
>> No. 122992
>>122991
I have yet to see anything come of them, though. It always end up with the pre-readers pretty much doing things the same way, the other guy shutting up about it, and everything just remaining the same. It's like spam, but with more words.
>> No. 122993
Do you have any recommendations that AREN'T on Equestria Daily? Weather because of content, the author hasn't submitted, or the author got rejected and hasn't resubmitted.
>> No. 122994
>actually a PR, but anon just because

>>122992
When you've done something right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all. For example, when someone suggested the number-of-strikes checkbox to the submission form, it was added almost immediately.

>>122993
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/38855/24/MINIFIC-MAYHEM/In-Need-of-Healing
One of Pascoite's stories from Tactical's minific contest. Since it's under 500 words, I doubt it'll be going up on EQD any time soon.
>> No. 122995
>>122984
>According to the numbers Filler pulled up they're hurting the authors more than helping them.
correlation =/= causation

Maybe the truth is that this doesn't matter and once again everyone is getting their undies in a twist about nothing. Some fics get quotes and others don't. Big deal.

The three options for "fixing" this are remove all quotes, give all fics quotes or only give quotes to the absolute best fics. The first is boring, the second will make all quotes boring and the third is a minefield of subjectivity.

This is just one of those situations that you can't actually make better in any real way, and that might be a very bad thing if the situation were actually that bad, which it isn't.
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>Q: Who is worst pony?
>A. Rarity. A thousand times Rarity.

Is there not one pre-reader that has as much of a burning passion for Fluttershy that I do?
>> No. 123002
>>122994
Cosmetic changes aren't really what we are talking about here, as is that check-box, but thank you for your anonymous opinion (its better than most who don't say anything).
>> No. 123023
>>122976
>Filler Tue, Oct 23, 2012 1:54 PM No. 122976

>(...)

>I'd imagine that part of it is that lots of stories that get sent in are incomplete. Imagine this: The first chapter--the only chapter--that is sent in is absolutely amazing. It sets up the conflict, introduces the characers, and paints the setting in an amazing manner. Its setup is so gripping that not only are you left wanting more, you're driven to approve of its posting posthaste. However, all that the chapter is is setup. What would you say about it then?

>"This story's first chapter is amazing. The characters feel so alive, the setting so vivid. I can't wait to see where the author takes it--even to those who aren't fans of this story's genre, I highly recommend it."

>Sounds great, doesn't it?

>Now imagine that quote, rehashed or reworded, for every Chapter 1 that goes up. As the number PR quotes go up, the value of one goes down. At that point, it'll be "those with PR quotes that aren't obviously generic" that'll be worth reading. And not every story that gets sent in can have a non-generic quote because of whatever circumstances. The problem persists. (I guess PRs can move onto rehashing the synopsis, but that would be a temporary solution at best.)

I suggested that only for amazing stories (as you said). I'm not a PR (obviously), but I guess that the number of submissions you'd call "This is really an over-the-top quality story, I do love this!" is under 5 or so, amirite?

This makes your argument invalid.


>>122981
>Daffodil Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:31 PM No. 122981

>(...)

>-Some stories are more worth their time to read.

There. So, you do agree with me that quotes are here to explain that the PR actually really liked this story, it's more than a story which is good enough go on EQD, it's "better than expected, even for EQD". That's why I'm whining asking why some PRs who like a lot some stories don't put a quote for it.


>>122980

>Bunch of quotes, most of them from the pre-reader who likes sky pirates, and explaining why they're bad

As you said, it's more the fault of this PR's than quotes in themselves.

The "problem", here, is that the PR who likes sky pirates is apparently the most active guy among PRs. So most of stories on EQD nowadays have a useless quote from him.

To everybody: as Roger! noticed, some quotes are interesting. It should not make you forgetting that quotes can be good, guys.
>> No. 123025
>>123023
>That's why I'm whining asking why some PRs who like a lot some stories don't put a quote for it.
Because they didn't like it that much. I don't think I've ever heard someone say "This story is awesome and everyone should read it, so post it with no quote." We put quotes for stories we really like. We don't put quotes for stories that are just kind of meh.

>So most of stories on EQD nowadays have a useless quote from him.
I really don't see anything wrong with those quotes. If I were an average EqD reader and I saw one of those, it would make me want to read the story, which is the point.
>> No. 123026
Where are accepted fics on the queue, or do those emails get sent out pretty quick?
>> No. 123027
>>122971
I post the OP, I get to have my fun.
>> No. 123028
>>123025
>That's why I'm whining asking why some PRs who like a lot some stories don't put a quote for it.
>Because they didn't like it that much. I don't think I've ever heard someone say "This story is awesome and everyone should read it, so post it with no quote." We put quotes for stories we really like. We don't put quotes for stories that are just kind of meh.

I think you misunderstood my message, we're both agreeing on the same thing!

>So most of stories on EQD nowadays have a useless quote from him.
>I really don't see anything wrong with those quotes. If I were an average EqD reader and I saw one of those, it would make me want to read the story, which is the point.
>>122980
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>>122969
>Twilestia image
>Rarity worst poni
Vimbert is a gentleman and a scholar.

Sage cuz I'll actually chime in on the topic at hand later tonight.
>> No. 123036
Nicolas Cage may star in the next Left Behind movie. Great news, or the greatest news?
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>>123028
Allow me to clarify: I've read Roger's opinion, and I disagree with him. As mentioned, I don't see what's so horrible about any of those quotes.

>>123036
Cagest news.
>> No. 123049
>>123041
The PR who likes sky pirates (or prwlsp for short) is the most active guy among PRs, apparently.

Also, he oftens makes quotes.

As somebody said above this post, too many quotes kill the quote (I don't know if this expression exists in English), now, when I see a story on EQD, it has 80% chances to be approved by the prwlsp and have a quote with it. I highly doubt all of these stories are really awesome, really good stories are rare, as everybody knows. So, when I read the quote, I don't care about how praiseful it can be, I'll think "Well, he says it almost every time, he's easily enthusiasted with a mere story, no big deal."

The problem, for me, isn't really the quotes in themselves (they're kinda praiseful), but they're too many, each story with such a quote is less unique now, buried among its kind.

The prwlsp didn't understand that, please tell him.


Also, for Celestia's sake, please please PLEASE, pre-readers, put a quote for a story if you really loved it, it deserves a few sentences from your imagination, doesn't it?
>> No. 123050
>>123049
I reject way more stories than I post.

Your argument assumes that I post nearly everything I read.

I will change nothing.
>> No. 123051
>>123050

Dude, obviously you don't understand the complex issue of designating quotes. Please just stay in the basement and read your comics next time.
>> No. 123053
>Argument about PR quotes.
Why is this a thing? Are they suddenly an entitlement?

A PR will give a quote at his own discretion. If that discretion is that he doesn't ever do so, as is the case with me, exactly how is anyone cheated? It's no different than when people come into this thread and ask for story recommendations. We can choose to back one or not. Would you have us stop that, or require us each to recommend a story here on a regular basis? Doesn't sound very feasible.
>> No. 123057
>>123053
>Are they suddenly an entitlement?
Well, I was saying that you should get rid of them...
>> No. 123058
>>123057

Suggestion noted.
>> No. 123078
>>123050
I don't assume at all that you post almost everything you read, you must have misunderstood my message.
>> No. 123110
Have you ever read a few sentences in a story that made you gasp? I mean, only a few words which made you think "Oh my God, this sentence is truly awesome, I'll remember it every time someone will talk about this story"?

If possible, please some examples!
>> No. 123137
Is there an official list of the prereaders anywhere? The one on Equestria Daily is outdated D:

If not, can you supply one?
>> No. 123138
>>123137

>outdated

Working on it.

>If not, can you supply one?

No.
>> No. 123150
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I have a question:
Would the opinion of you or any other EqD pre-reader concerning a submitted fic be altered in any way if it was obviously written with the purpose of addressing an issue within the fandom?

What if that issue was spaghetti?
>> No. 123158
>>123110
>Have you ever read a few sentences in a story that made you gasp? I mean, only a few words which made you think "Oh my God, this sentence is truly awesome, I'll remember it every time someone will talk about this story"?

>If possible, please some examples!

Bump
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>>123150
Having written one such fic myself, I'd personally give it the benefit of the doubt and see how it read. If it didn't come across as overly preachy or Jack Chick tract-y or something, I'd treat it like any other story and probably reject it on grammatical grounds.

Seriously though, just give us a try. Most stories (that aren't Scratchtavia, "Lyra is obsessed with humans" fanwank, or any of the other few things that tick me off enough that I don't read them 95% of the time) I come into with a certain amount of goodwill. I'll give most things a shot, and if not, someone else will. That's the beauty of our system. I won't touch anything with, say, Trixie or Rarijack with a ten-foot pole covered in the blood of the damned, but other pre-readers will be all over it.
>> No. 123160
>>123110
Apologies for the double post, but...

No. No I haven't.
>> No. 123164
I'm working on a collaborative project with another author. It's a story about a character from his story meeting with one from mine and chatting for a bit. Now, no knowledge of the two stories is strictly required, but they do talk about things and events from the stories. Would this need to be submitted as a side story or a stand alone?
>> No. 123169
Hello,

I'm writing the 1st chapters of a story; but I'm not still sure about how it will continue. I mean, I globally know how what will happen in the next chapters, but I'm not still sure if it'll be really dark or not.

Currently, I write the story like if it isn't going to be dark (not too much, at least), so it won't need the injustly hated "Dark" tag, but I'm thinking about a bit darker version of it, but it'd need the "Dark" tag.

Do I have to wait for the day I'll finally fix with one of these versions (which can take months (and it's just to choose the idea, not even writing the story itself)), or can I send the submission now, not including the "Dark" tag, but then asking for adding it later if I want to darken the story?

TL;DR: Can we add a tag after the feature on EQD?
>> No. 123170
>>123169
Yes.

>>123164
I'm not sure, but I'm replying to it so hopefully someone else will answer this.
>> No. 123171
>>123170
Wouldn't this actually be a call from the guys running the blog rather the prereaders?
>> No. 123172
>>123170
Thank you, I hope that Seth does fully read the mails he receives (or he'd just take the link inside a "Story Update" mail, and add it on EQD without really reading the comments).


By the way... Ever seen a story where some tags were added/removed on EQD? Examples, please?
>> No. 123181
>>123172
(In no way, shape, or form affiliated with the Pre-Readers)

My story, Under A Luminous Sky: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/07/story-under-luminous-sky.html

I initially had Shining Armor tagged because I planned to use him, but later I realized the chapter added nothing to the plot, so I axed it. All I did was put the request in the update email. They didn't do it the first time I asked, so next time I put, "PLEASE REMOVE SHINING ARMOR TAG" in the subject field. I think they just did the chapter update on autopilot, so I had to get their attention.

Hope this is what you were talking about. :)
>> No. 123185
>>123172
My first story, Fire and Rain had its tags changed from [Normal] to [Grimdark] and [Light Shipping]. The story has since been wiped off the face of the internet.
>> No. 123353
This thread is dying. It's in the second page, DAMMIT.


Iirc, the most hated tags are Crossover and Dark.

But: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/09/eqd-super-simple-archiver-test.html?c=crossover,grimdark,star-5

30 stories do have these tags and are really liked (5 stars or more). 30 stories, which is more than the half of all the Grimdark and Dark stories (57 so far).

What do I have to conclude?
>> No. 123354
>>123353
People are stupid and they don't know what they want. As a corollary, both apply to experts. This isn't a fandom conclusion by the way, this is just what happens.
>> No. 123356
>>123354
Alternatively, you can conclude that the prereaders are good at separating the wheat from the chaff and that the chaff in those genres are hated more than the chaff in others.
>> No. 123357
>>123356
Grab a local assumption instead of a far larger and more proven one? Naw. People are stupid (even, and sometimes specially, experts) has serve me well, and the fandom has only reinforce it.

As a side-note, the hate those most voted stories is the one you actually hear and notice, so your hypothesis is flawed from there.
>> No. 123359
>>123356
Same poster. Scratch that; the data isn't enough to draw any conclusion.
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Just what exactly is "dark"? Would an epic (in the actual sense of the word) fantasy battle where gallons of blood are spilled without any detailed eviscerations count? Would a psychological thriller be dark? Would an adventure story with some extremely perilous scenes and some deaths deserve the tag?

I feel like "dark" has become synonymous with "gore" or "depressing".
>> No. 123418
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Just curious about a situation here...

I recently submitted Chapter 1 of a fic I started to EQD. It's been 8 days, but I know that the process can take a while. I've already gotten a jump on working on Chapter 2. I submitted the story by selecting "Incomplete (One of X Chapters)". Now, I just have a quick question about the process for approval.

Let's say I upload Chapter 2 before I hear back from EQD. That would mean that I submitted the story saying it had One of X chapters, but there is actually more than one chapter.

Would that be an issue? Should I wait to update to chapter 2 until I hear back from EQD, or will adding another chapter not really effect how they look at the story?
>> No. 123421
>>123414
Dark is a mood, more than anything else. I can't point to any specific story element and say "this is dark." If the story overall feels depressing, tag it dark.

>>123418
It doesn't matter. We rarely if ever check the completion status of a story before reviewing it.
>> No. 123426
>>122969
So say a fic has a huge reveal that changes what basically everything in the plot means. It has come to my attention that it is entirely possible to make such a reveal too late, yet I'm still not sure I know what this means. When is it better to tell the reader something earlier? I apologize that this question is a bit vague. I've seen big reveals the work and those that don't, and honestly aside from an intuitive sense as a reader as to working, I have no idea what the difference is. Obviously foreshadowing is a must, but I'm pretty sure they have all done that.
>> No. 123434
>>123426
Speaking as another author and a former pre-reader, you need to hook your reader within the first 1000 words. It doesn't matter how good it is latter if you can't get them interested enough to reach that point.
>> No. 123439
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>>123434
Speaking as an author, editor, reviewer, and tutor, you completely failed to answer his question while at the same time relating--what I consider--poorly stated advice.

You need to make your readers interested within the first sentence or paragraph at the most. Now, that's not to say that you need to shove some kind of dramatic event, but something about whatever scene you establish at the very start should get your reader at least curious, at best interested, in seeing what's happening. Then, you have until the end of that scene, however long it is, to get them wanting more. In any case, I think the most important word of advice for openings is to start as close to the action, and therefore your big reveal as possible.

>>123426
As for how to use big/dramatic reveals, a lot of it really is just intuitive. Try to get--and create--a feeling in the story that there IS something to be revealed: that's where foreshadowing comes in. For instance, when Luke discovers that Darth Vader is his father, it's a huge, galaxy-changing thing for Luke and for the audience, but throughout the tale the elder Skywalker had been brought up. It makes the revelation more meaningful to the audience.

The biggest thing to avoid in a reveal/twist is creating the feeling that you've cheated the reader. Unless of course that's your goal in the first place, but you probably won't have many readers if that is your goal, so let's ignore that possibility. The reveal should either be an anticipated conclusion, like in mystery novels, or something that readers, if not characters, would have been able to discover for themselves if key bits of information had been given to them. Now, I could continue to blather on, but I'm tired and this isn't my thread. Meh.
>> No. 123441
>>123439
Wow, you're kind of a jerk. I was speaking out of my experience as a pre-reader and what they typically look for.
>> No. 123443
>>123426
You need a red herring conflict to grab readers from the get-go, then you can change things up later. Resolving the original issue is somewhat optional but classy and stylish if you can pull it off.

I'm going to be a Very Bad Person and use an example from a novel-turned-film where I haven't read the novel yet: Stephen King's The Shawshank Redemption. The real story is human decency struggling against a corrupt warden and a dehumanizing institution. But the story begins by making the audience ask whether the protagonist murdered his wife or not.

You want something like that. Otherwise, boring fic is boring.

/notPR
>> No. 123449
>>123439
I was going to comment and say words, but then I ended up laughing at that picture for 5 minutes.
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>>123449
Scootaloo is best Woodstock.
We need a picture of Scoots flying all crooked, upside down...
>> No. 123474
>>123441
It should be clear to you now then that /fic/, while liking the pre-reader guys, doesn't give two fucks who you are if it thinks you are wrong, and they certainly have no trouble in telling you that you can't explain for snizzle. Then they ask you why you are calling them assholes when they properly showed you don't know shit.

That is why I love /fic/.
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>>123474
>> No. 123478
>>123434
>>123441

Realistically, they are only around two people you can possibly be. Neither of which I would expect to get something like this wrong and react in the manner you have. Please post under your real name to prove that you actually are of the group you claim and can receive admonishment for adding that extra "t" to later.
>> No. 123481
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>>123478
>Make fun of using "latter" instead of "later"
>Has "they are" instead of "there are"
>> No. 123486
>>123481

but izona id ont' aknow haioow toy type

But seriously, yo, you totally borked the tenses on that post with "make" and "has."
>> No. 123488
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>>123486
You made fun of the mistake the anon made in the past, then committed your own mistake in the present (whilst writing it). Ergo, my use of tenses is correct since I wrote it as if I was doing so in parallel with your message.
>> No. 123489
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>>123488
Or maybe I'm just pulling things out of my ass.
>> No. 123493
>>123439
I think you addressed my question pretty well. That said I do still have one question. Say in star wars if we hadn't learned Vader was Luke's father until the end of the third movie, would it have been less effective? It seems like it would have been, but the question is why?
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>>123493
Resident Star Wars geek here.
Yes, it would have been far less effective. The entire third movie is effectively leading up to Luke and his father's final confrontation. Without that bombshell in the second movie the effect wouldn't have been nearly as effective.
>> No. 123501
>>123439
>>123495
Call me crazy, but all this explanation just tells me "you will eventually get it, until then, here are some pointers of things which might help". Is there no real guide or at least theory of doing this kind of stuff?
>> No. 123502
>>123501
Best way is to learn by observation. Look at a bunch of stories and their beginnings, note which ones actually grabbed you and emulate them if at all possible. This also applies to a story's synopsis.

And no, there isn't a "real" guide because different viewpoints, styles, themes, plots ect. all have their own particular flavour.

>>123495
>Used "effect" three times
:|
>> No. 123503
>>123502
Four times >_>
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>>123503
Maybe something affected your judgement?
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>>123501
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/episode-07-pacing

Build up tension, then drop the bombshells when tension peaks.
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>>123542
Thanks for positing that. I've always ad a solid grasp of how to pull that off, but I've never seen a visualization of it before. The video is excellent too, even though it is Video Game focused it gives a bit to think about just as far as story telling goes.
>> No. 123619
>>123593
Don't forget to practice, too! Have a 公安:

One day a monk went to the master of his monastery with a concern that had been bothering him for some time.

"Master, I have studied the teachings of the great masters and meditated and realized insights that I believed profound. But time and again my insights are replaced by greater ones that make the lesser seem insignificant. How then am I to know when I have attained the true enlightenment?"

The master admonished the monk, saying, "Why then are you here? You will never be enlightened!"

At that very moment, the monk was enlightened.
>> No. 123824
>>123478
Tada
>> No. 123935
Okay, this might be a dumb question, but what exactly constitutes a sequel?

I'm about to finish up my story, and I have another planned. It involves only one of the main characters from the first, but it's a different setting, different supporting cast, different story. In fact, you could jump in this one and not miss a thing, reading the first is not required. Would I still submit it as a sequel, or should I submit it for pre-reader approval like a normal story?

Thanks!
>> No. 123936
>>123935
See if you can write the first two chapters without the character from the first story then submit. That way you can be sure it won't be counted as a sequel and it won't be relegated to the "story update" posts.
>> No. 123938
>>123936
Not really. Say for example, the sequel takes place 1,000 years after the original. You know, like Star Wars VII.
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>>123935
>but what exactly constitutes a sequel?
Nothing.

Unless it's entirely necessary, I'd just make the sequel a story of its own, make it more original and stray off of a work you've already finished.

Also, just going to leave this here
>pic
>> No. 123943
>>123938
>>123942
The story is another murder mystery, this time much more focused on the mystery aspect. It will still involve my OC Special Agent Bentgrass, and takes place a few months after Under A Luminous Sky. A string of murders in Manehatten, so Bentgrass and his new partner are sent to figure it out. Going for a kind of "Kiss The Girls" vibe, I think.

Okay, thanks, guys!
>> No. 123945
>>123943
Sounds like a sequel.
>> No. 123951
>>123945
See, this is what I meant.

Okay, my favorite character in literature is by DOuglas Preston and Lincoln Child. His name is Special Agent Pendergast (OMG C WUT I DID THER!?!?!) ANywho, they have used him in a bunch of different novels, but each time they re-introduce him as a new character. Only those who read the previous books know of him, and new readers experience it like it's a brand new character every time. You can literally jump into the seventh book hes appeared in and suffer no whiplash, it doesn't matter. That is what I was planning on doing.

Still Sequel? Just want to make sure I do it right, you know?
>> No. 123954
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So just a logistics question here...

I received an e-mail regarding my fic this morning, giving me my first strike. The pre-reader gave me some fantastic tips as to what wasn't working systemically, which is hugely helpful. But they also said something that is kinda confusing me, that i"m trying to figure out.

To respond, I just hit the "reply" button in the e-mail and addressed the beginning of the letter to the pre-reader. Just wondering, does that mean it'll eventually get back to said pre-reader? I sent the e-mail this morning and haven't heard back yet, but I figure I'll give it a few days.

However, if that isn't the proper way to get back in contact with the pre-reader, what is? They left their "Pre-Reader __________" name, so is there a specific e-mail I can get in contact with? I just want a bit of clarification on something he/she said that is throwing me off.
>> No. 123960
>>123951
Hmm... that sounds like it could stand on its own. I don't have enough information to say for sure, though.

>>123954
Yes, just reply to the email and the fanfiction email will forward it to where it needs to go.
>> No. 123962
>>123960

Cool, thanks. Sent it about 12 hours ago. Haven't heard back, but at least I know that I sent it to the right place. Thanks!
>> No. 124081
I'm curious on Pre-readers thoughts on ambiguous endings. The more pre-readers I can get jumping on this the better. Is an ambiguous ending always better than a unambiguous ending? If not when would it not be preferable? Why are ambiguous endings often effective?
>> No. 124089
>>124081
I think ambiguous endings are more effective in shorter works. One of my professors is fond of telling me, "You can't save the world in an X-page paper." That's talking about academics, but I think it holds true for fiction as well. There's generally only so much you can do with a oneshot, and depending on the tone of the story, implying an ending can leave the reader with a powerful image. It may also follow that playing events out fully would make the story simply drag, and one would risk losing reader interest.

However, the risk with ambiguous endings is that the reader won't "get it," so if you're really paranoid about that sort of thing, move from the implicit to the explicit and make sure we know how the tale ends.

That's my take, at least.
>> No. 124095
If I can ask a follow-up to my previous question...

Chapter 1 is the only one posted, and got one strike. I'm still waiting to hear back from the pre-reader on one ambiguous thing he said.

If I post chapter 2, make the fixes to chapter 1, and send the fic in for it's second round, does he look at the whole thing, or re-review chapter 1 to see if I made the changes? I'm just trying to decide if I want to wait on posting chapter 2 until I've heard back from him (no idea how long that will take) or just go ahead with more chapters, and come back to chapter 1 after he gets back to me.
>> No. 124098
>>124095
We look at the whole thing, yes.

However, if you have the notes on your consistent errors from chapter one, you ought to be able to fix chapter two up to the same quality, hmm?
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>>124098

Haha, very good point that I cannot believe I missed.

Thanks!
>> No. 124104
>>124089
Very insightful. I regret nothing in posting what I posted due to your response. Yet what I probably should have said was open-to-precipitation endings. Basically the ending is ambiguous but not because it would bog the reader down or make it too long, but because the author wants two or more interpretations to be valid. Kind of a should the protagonist choose A or B, and the resolution is it doesn't matter sort of deal.
>> No. 124105
>>124104
Obviously I meant interpretation. That was a Freudian slip due to the hurricane.
>> No. 124138
Here's one: the new pre-reader positions you're filling. Are they permanent, or just for the S3 rush?
>> No. 124139
Here's a quickie.

Say I had a one-shot story that was posted on EQD, say a year ago.

Now let's say that I wanted to do a sequel. Would it need to go through the pre-readers, where it would be shat on– I mean reviewed fairly and then given an insightful list of improvements totally not-pulled-out-of somepone's ass?

Or would it just pop up in a story update post?
>> No. 124140
>>124104
I've seen this work very well, in Nick Nack's Two Beats, which I highly recommend you read. http://www.fimfiction.net/story/54202/Two-Beats

>>124138
Permanent.

>>124139
It'd get posted like any other sequel.
>> No. 124183
So... I have a specific question about the recent pre-reader application search on EQD.

Obviously, applicants need to send an example (or several) of past reviews they have done, so you have an example of their pre-reading ability.

But, in most cases, when I write a review for someone, they take the advice I give them and make the changes.

Is it a problem if the story that is sent in with the review related to it already has the grammar fixes implemented that the review suggests should be fixed?

Because if the applicant needs to provide an example of an un-fixed story text in addition to the review describing how to fix it, that could potentially significantly narrow the example reviews the applicant has available to use as examples.
>> No. 124191
>>124183
Not a PR, but if someone read your review, then they should be able to see with your suggested fixes if you're suggesting the right things, provided that you quote or say what was wrong. This should also apply to other kinds of suggested improvements, which should show if your suggestions were good or bad.
>> No. 124193
>>124183
>>124191
If you're talking about resolved comments in a Google document, then you can still see them in the comments section.
>> No. 124199
Hey Vimbert, if you have time add me on skype please, I'd like to talk to you about something.
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>>124199
Uh... okay. Skype is about the worst way ever to get a hold of me since I'm almost never on there, but sure, whatever. I'll be sitting on there for a while tonight, so talk away or... whatever.
>> No. 124406
Okay guys, Ah am going to tell ya mah fancy theory about the tags and the length of stories. Please, correct me if you think something misses/is wrong.


Most of stories who have the tag:

(Grim)Dark: are long, mostly because you need a long time to set up a story which constantly reminds the reader that the situation is (almost) hopeless, some of the hero's friends are dead, the evil forces are growing up, etc. I can't think of a Dark story which is really short, you need pages and pages to bring your readers to the sad and horrific point you took a lot of time to build in your mind.

Yeah, I know that some of the recent Nightmare Night's stories on EQD have the Dark tag and aren't very long. BUT THEY DON'T COUNT, OKAY?!

Normal/Slice of life: Uh... I never read these stories, I always think they're really boring (it's certainly a cliché, but if something is identical to the canon, I don't see the point in reading it, most of time it'll be worse than the canon (because we can't expect the author to be a professional storybuilder)).

Feel free to tell me if such stories are rather long or short.

Sad: Short. I think it'd bore to death if a Sad fanfiction would be over 100K words, because you don't need so many words to set up the characters, their actions and their feels. Over 50K, it'd be overdone, imho. A Series of Unfortunate Events is the only long and sad saga I know.

Comedy: Short for most of them, even if I recall several long Comedy fanfics.

Adventure: Long. Do I need to explain?

Random: Short. It's hard to write crazy things for over 100K words, imo.

Crossover: Long, because you take a whole universe as a source, so you have plenty of things to talk about.

Sci-Fi: Hum... Long? Describing some machines and explaining how they work can be long, so the author is likely to write more, as not to be accused to have wrote 90% of description, 10% of action.

Shipping: Long. No need to explain.


Inb4 "What if a story has the Crossover and Random tags?" and trick questions alike. I said "most of these stories".
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>>124406
>> No. 124413
>>124406
You know, I'm all for analysis, but... um, what exactly is gained from these observations? Or even very interesting?
>> No. 124414
>>124413
An indication to know if the story is likely to be long or not, according to its tags.
>> No. 124419
>>124414
And it may be used to understand if writing an epic 400K words Sad fic would be well-received, and such questions alike.
>> No. 124429
I saw on one of the earlier 'Ask a Pre-Reader' threads that long stories were quite common, often over 100k words. Do these still have to be submitted as 3k chapters?

I'm in the process of editing a 'Choose Your Own Adventure' story, currently ~ 15k words. I could probably just about break it down into ~5k chapters, but any smaller would be problematic. How hard is the chapter word limit? I think I saw something in one of those older threads about CYOAs, but just to check, they're still an acceptable format, right? :)

Thanks very much :)
>> No. 124431
>>124429
The 3k number is a minimum so that the story updates aren't spammed by numerous continuous tiny updates. You can have much larger chapters. For instance, the average chapter size of Background Pony is around 20k words.
>> No. 124432
>>124431

They're minimums? That makes a lot of sense, I did wonder why so small :)

Thanks! :)
>> No. 124462
>>124429

>I can't think of a Dark story which is really short, you need pages and pages to bring your readers to the sad and horrific point you took a lot of time to build in your mind.

Pega please. http://www.fimfiction.net/story/546/The-Cough

>A Series of Unfortunate Events is the only long and sad saga I know.

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/3479/The-Games-We-Play

>Shipping: Long. No need to explain.

I see far too many (and have written a couple of) short shipfics. They're usually terrible.

Most of your observations match mine though

>>124406

3k is a minimum per update submission. 100k fics are free to request to be published all at once, or push out 20k word chapters, or submit 30 100 word chapters for one update (if it weren't for the fact that that would be horrendous).
>> No. 124472
>>124462

>I can't think of a Dark story which is really short, you need pages and pages to bring your readers to the sad and horrific point you took a lot of time to build in your mind.

>Pega please. http://www.fimfiction.net/story/546/The-Cough

Okay guy, you win. At least, I said "most of stories".

>A Series of Unfortunate Events is the only long and sad saga I know.

>http://www.fimfiction.net/story/3479/The-Games-We-Play

Same as above.

>Shipping: Long. No need to explain.

>I see far too many (and have written a couple of) short shipfics. They're usually terrible.

We do not look at the same website for fanfictions, apparently.


What would happen if an accepted story on EQD had a update containing way too much gore scenes, or any out-of-rules content alike?

Would you delete it from the site and ask the author to redo it without being out of the rules, or just deleting the whole story from EQD and move on?


Did it happen?
>> No. 124483
>>124472

I'm not 100% sure. That's up to the blogponies, not us; we don't deal with updates. I do know that once there was a story where Applejack turned into Hitler in like the third chapter and started racial cleansing the pegasi and unicorns, and that did get removed from EqD. I don't think the author was given a chance to change it.
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>>124483
I kind of want to read hitlerjack. I hear all these amusing stories about it.
>> No. 124486
>>124484
"Terra Tumultus" on Fanfiction.net.
>> No. 124561
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Do you have any plans to direct authors in need of help to MLPchan?

Do you have any intention of starting an "Ask the PRs" thread on MLPchan?

Thanks for your time. This week's been a mite hectic, all things considered.
>> No. 124562
>>124561
This has escaped the realm of being forced and is approaching inanity.
>> No. 124563
>>124561
>Do you have any plans to direct authors in need of help to MLPchan?
At the moment, no. Other pre-readers can direct authors wherever they want, but I just haven't spent enough time lurking the board to trust it entirely.

>Do you have any intention of starting an "Ask the PRs" thread on MLPchan?
Hadn't thought about it. Maybe.
>> No. 124571
Hey guys, just a quick question for you. I was just wondering if you'd received my pre-reader application. It's cool if you're still debating and all. You said to be patient and I can certainly wait for a decision, but there isn't any use in it if the application never went through. Been close to a week and I haven't heard anything. No rush. just wanted to double check.
>> No. 124575
>>124571
That would be interesting to know. Are you sending emails to people telling them they got reject?
>> No. 124577
>>124571
We're still deliberating.

>>124575
We are.
>> No. 124578
>>124577
Very good then. Carry on. Thank you very much.
>> No. 124609
>>124577
Just curious, how many applications did you get?
>> No. 124610
>>124609
I think somewhere in the realm of fifty.
>> No. 124615
>>124610

Try around a hundred more than that.
>> No. 124616
>>124615
Wow, really?!

Jeez, I kinda thought the way y'all talk about the job would have scared most people off. I only sent in my application because I'm single and have a job that prevents me from having a social life beyond reading/writing pony fiction. You mean people who do thing other than pony want the job, as well?!


:P
>> No. 124698
Hello,

What are, according to you, the 3 (you can put more stories ofc) most overrated fics on EQD/fimfiction.net? These ones everyone keeps talking about, but you really don't understand why, you see other more awesome works having very few views/comments.


Also, in my language, every title of books and chapters always start with a determiner (For example, "The" in English).

Apparently, it's not always the case in English: for example, Rainbow Factory, Past Sins or Cheerilee's Garden Yeah, I've got some nice references here) don't have a determiner.

These ones have a determiner: The Conversion Bureau, The Circle of Friends and The Contest.

Is there some sort of rule, which would indicate when it'd better to put a determiner in the title (of the story or the chapter)? Or is it a case-by-case thing I've to deal with? Should I ask an English fellow which version of the title sounds better?
>> No. 124711
>>124698
>What are, according to you, the 3 (you can put more stories ofc) most overrated fics on EQD/fimfiction.net? These ones everyone keeps talking about, but you really don't understand why, you see other more awesome works having very few views/comments.
Since I haven't read the stories I hear are overrated, answering this question would be rather unfair.

>Or is it a case-by-case thing I've to deal with?
Yes. In English, it's pretty much played by ear. For example, The Great Gatsby was originally titled Under the Red, White, and Blue (which itself was one of about seven other potential titles, if Wikipedia is to be trusted).
>> No. 124847
Hey, I think it's been about long enough since I last asked. Vimbert, are you guys full of applications, or is it still cool if I send one? And do I still send it to Seth at the blog email?
>> No. 124850
>>124847
We've finished dealing with all the applications, but we always welcome more. Send it to the fanfiction email.
>> No. 124852
>>124850
Any idea on when we can expert an announcement? Will it be made public, or will the new guys/gals just get an email?
>> No. 124855
>>124852
All of the accepted applicants have been emailed, added to the list, and have started reviewing. We're not going to announce it publicly since some of them wish for their identities to remain anonymous. I'm sure they'll advertise it if they wish.
>> No. 124856
>>124850

Still [email protected], I take it?
>> No. 124857
>>124856
Nope. [email protected]
>> No. 124859
>>124855
Damn. Ah, well. I tried.

Rejected fics get emails, but rejected pre-readers don't. For some reason, I find this hilarious.

Please don't read any snark in that statement. :)
>> No. 124868
>>124859
You should have got one. It was said rejection letters would go out and I know I got one. I'm a little disappointed in myself, but so it goes. Perhaps the e-mail just didn't go through or something.
>> No. 124871
>>124868
Nope, nothing.

But it's cool. I kinda knew I was a long shot. Besides, I more specialize in snarky reviews as opposed to actual quality control. Check me out:
http://www.fobequestria.com/2012/11/fan-fiction-review-018-faith-and-doubt.html
http://www.fobequestria.com/2012/10/fan-fiction-review-017-youth-in-garden.html
http://www.fobequestria.com/2012/09/fan-fiction-review-014-strange.html

Hey, I'm a Drill Sergeant. It's my job to be an overly negative asshole. :)
>> No. 124877
>>124868
I did not receive a rejection letter either. I've gotten nothing.
>> No. 125045
I want to ask an Equestria Daily Pre-Reader something!

I'm wanting to submit something that as far as I know has a strong bid at passing. However, I recently added a few chapters to it that are pure telling and world-building. I worry that the pre-readers will see these and say "you have too much telling/stop dumping so much exposition."

I mean, I could just un-publish them when I submit, then put them back after I get an answer.

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/11808/6
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/11808/5
>> No. 125061
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>>125045
On a very, very, very brief look, I'd say that those would be given more leeway, since you're not dumping this stuff on us all at once, but rather giving us more worldbuilding once you've had a chance to hook the reader in earlier chapters. Telling has its place, and if the earlier chapters use more showing, I wouldn't say it'd be a problem.

I could foresee the video transcription being an issue, as we tend to frown on more "script-style" sections/stories where description is absent in favor of pure dialogue; indeed, I found myself wondering why more attention and detail wasn't given to that section.

Among the pre-readers, a fair amount of criticism has been given towards my own work overusing telling, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but honestly I saw no issues with telling, save the aforementioned "script-style" segue. However, I don't have the context of the rest of the tale, and I am but one man.

Still, as a pre-reader who thoroughly disliked what you deemed your finest work, my seal of "Eh, looks okay" ought to count for something, at least.

Do bear in mind, of course, that if the pre-reader who claims this (and it likely won't be me, as I have a strong bias against "sci-fi" stories, which this seems to be, and I don't claim stories in genres I hate) sees enough grammar/style/show vs. tell issues in a previous chapter, they may not even touch on the two chapters you linked.

Still, I don't foresee it being a huge problem, and would disagree in our discussion thread about the fic (if/when you submit it) if the pre-reader found those two chapters a large problem.
>> No. 125117
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125117
So I've heard (belatedly) that you guys have lost a Chromosome.

I guess pissy rejected authors can now say you guys are clinically retarded.
>> No. 125118
>>125117

Not all those who wander are lost

not all those who are missing are gone.

But the man who tries to make terrible puns

He shall be punished with fire, brimstone and more.
>> No. 125128
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>>125117

>I guess pissy rejected authors can now say you guys are clinically retarded.
Not if they wish to be correct. The condition you describe is monosomy and is not associated with mental retardation. You are likely thinking of trisomy, in which all or part of an extra chromosome is present. Trisomy 21, commonly known as Down syndrome, results from the presence of all or part of a third copy of chromosome 21. Trisomies of other chromosomes also lead to developmental cognitive impairments.
>> No. 125135
>>125128
I'll note that Monosomy does result in mental retardation. (Turner's, XO)
So, technically, he might still be correct... if he's referring to a female.
>> No. 125137
>>125135
Well... they are the Oprah book club...
>> No. 125228
Do you guys still send rejected stories to /fic/? TTG hasn't gotten much traffic lately.
>> No. 125243
>>125228
Yes, we refer rejected stories to a number of places where reviews are offered, and /fic/ usually tops the list. I don't know why fewer of them are taking advantage of it. Maybe enough reviewing groups have formed on FiMFiction to soak up a lot of that traffic, or maybe people just aren't interested in revising their stories as much.
>> No. 125277
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>>125243
Speaking on the subject, MLPchan's TG seems to have more people in it. If Ponychan's TG were to close down, would the pre-readers refer rejects to MLPchan now? It's been a fair while since its establishment, so I'd think you'd have enough information to make a decision.
>> No. 125303
>>125277
We'll refer to where the reviewers are. The main problem I see is that there are undoubtedly many people who are aware of Ponychan, but don't go there often or know it by reputation only. When they are ready for a review and go looking, how are they going to find it? Once the thread is well off the front page, it might be hard for people to find, and if they don't know about MLPchan, they're out of luck. Not sure what the best thing to do about that would be.
>> No. 125304
>>125303
The latest link to the TG is usually maintained in the sticky thread.
>> No. 125307
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>>125303
Easy: Have a link in the sticky to the TG document. It won't go anywhere fast. Any threads requesting reviews can be similarly dealt with.

Furthermore, announce the existence of the TG on EqD and link to MLPchan now that it's the reviewer base. I believe I inquired as to whether the pre-readers could pester Seth to make a post requesting more users to lend their time and energy to the TG and the reviewer system in general earlier. It could be marketed as a way for those who want to join the ranks of the pre-readers to make a name for themselves, sharpen their skills, and give back to the community.
>> No. 125315
>>125307
>It could be marketed as a way for those who want to join the ranks of the pre-readers to make a name for themselves, sharpen their skills, and give back to the community.
I'd be loath to do so. We get plenty of applicants as is, who should already understand that reviewing skill is paramount. I'd also hate to create the impression that it was a preferred path and imply that there would be a likelihood of being rewarded for it. There's not an official tie between us and /fic/, after all.
>> No. 125320
>>125315
Official link, no, but imo /fic/s role in giving the fandom the best fanfiction out there has long been understated. Imma start a PR thread for discussing this. I know several of us (myself included) now refer authors to both /fic/ sites, but many PR's are only tangentially aware of the high-quality services /fic/ offers.
>> No. 125323
>>125320
Oh, I agree that /fic/ does a great service to the writing community. I'm just not sure it's a good idea to promote any specific medium as an increased chance of becoming a PR, or even encouraging people to do reviews with that as their goal. They should review because it improves their own writing and it helps people.
>> No. 125324
>>125323
>promote any specific medium as an increased chance of becoming a PR, or even encouraging people to do reviews with that as their goal.
100% with you on this. But I'd like to see more PR's referring authors in need of help to the best, and that's /fic/ (s).
>> No. 125325
>>125324
While this might be true, I think it ignores the fact that /fic/ is so underground we might as well be a character from FoE. I mean, seriously, apart from people in the know (aka people here, a small group of PRs, a small circle of the famous writers), who has ever heard of /fic/ and knows what it is about?

I guess being a bit more aggressive in its promotion might help, but I think it is also partially the community's fault for continuously hunkering down in a single location and doing all things possible so the wildlings don't come hampering its style. Rather than try to make sure it is open to everyone, the community just focuses on making things easier for itself. That's nice and all, it is doing the whole reviewing part of the job, but you need fresh meat to actually review and I think the lull in the TTG shows that we are stagnating.

Before the PR get involved in banging kettles and stuff for /fic/, I think really needs to make sure it has a stronger presence in fimfiction and all other locations where writing or reviewing gets done. People also need to carry /fic/ badge a bit more proudly (if you are part of the group of /fic/, adding a link or the future badge to the place won't hurt you will it?) so that others can see "hey, that Casca guy is doing those reviews for Seattle's Angels"--that's name is so tacky it hurts--"and he belongs to this /fic/ stuff, let me check it out." /fic/ seems to hate to self-promote and I have always wondered from where did this need to remain as backgrouny as possible come from. From where ever it did, we need to make some noise and be more public about the less review aspects of what we do--which are just reviews by other means, but you know what I mean.

You might feel the need to trust the experts, but if the experts send you to a dark alley where people growl at you until you try to buy something, chances are not too many are going to get the help.

PS: Ion, I'm sorry, but you have to stop being so... you.
>> No. 125343
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>>125325
I yam what I yam. If a writer, who doesn't even bother trying to learn the lay of the land before demanding someone spend hours of their time editing his work, can't take one guy (on the internet, no less) yelling at them then chances are they wouldn't cut it anyways.
That said, I'll try to keep the blue words out of the yelling at least, but you can only ask so much of this old searat.

>>125315
The point is to direct your rejected applicants to /fic/, just like how you send the rejected authors.
Here's the current system:
Author is rejected? Dump them on /fic/.
Good reviewer on /fic/? Offer them a position on the pre-reader team so that they have less time to help the authors you've dumped on /fic/.
It's almost parasitic. Something has to give and, as you may have seen before, /fic/ tends to not do that.

At the very least, make a full-on post for the TG and advertise how, by helping out in it, writers can acquire the skills necessary to improve their stories to get them onto EqD. The point is to advertise it not as somewhere to throw your dirty laundry and a stained manuscript for cleaning, which is how you're currently geared by only sending the rejects, but a communal effort in self-improvement with the aid of your peers.
>> No. 125345
>>125343
Well, it's not like /fic/ is the only reason they are prereaders, otherwise the only prereaders would be from /fic/. I don't know how many prereaders are from /fic/, but from previous comments they don't seem to be such a large group anyway.

That said, this whole "hey, the TG is the oldest and best place to improve yourself" sounds plenty of good, I stand by this >>125325 and say /fic/ needs a bit of priority changes before PRs can feel compelled to say "you know, /fic/ is the place to be."
>> No. 125349
>>125343
>The point is to direct your rejected applicants to /fic/, just like how you send the rejected authors.
We did. Whether or not they actually came here was their choice.

>Here's the current system:
>Author is rejected? Dump them on /fic/.
Dump. That's a good word, Ion. Here I thought that the purpose of the TG and review threads here was to help authors improve, but I guess that isn't the case. After all, you seem to be implying that the authors who come here for help are a burden on the regulars.
If that's the case, we'll just direct them to some of the FimFic editing groups.

>Good reviewer on /fic/? Offer them a position on the pre-reader team so that they have less time to help the authors you've dumped on /fic/.
They don't have to accept the position. You act as if we force people to join up. If they would rather devote their time to pre-reading than reviewing here on /fic/, maybe there's a problem with the way things run around here.

>It's almost parasitic.
Then you have my apologies. We'll stop sending authors here and direct them to FimFic editing groups instead.

>At the very least, make a full-on post for the TG and advertise how, by helping out in it, writers can acquire the skills necessary to improve their stories to get them onto EqD.
I'm sure Seth wouldn't mind adding something about the TG in a nightly roundup. I'm also sure that some of the /fic/ regulars will complain about the sudden influx of newbies that don't know how things are done and make a mess of the board/threads.

>The point is to advertise it not as somewhere to throw your dirty laundry and a stained manuscript for cleaning
Then stop cleaning the dirty laundry and stained manuscripts. It's not just us doing the advertising -- this board advertises itself as a "cleaning" service because that's what it is at the moment. If the board wants to be perceived differently, it needs to act differently.
>> No. 125350
>>125343
We don't offer anyone positions out of the blue, Ion. If someone wants to be a pre-reader, they apply.

I can't speak for everyone who moved from being a /fic/ reviewer to a pre-reader, but in my case, I knew I wasn't going to have the time I once did to do /fic/ reviews. If I had more free time, I'd rather do Ponychan stuff than EqD stuff, but such is not the case.
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>>125343
>make a full-on post for the TG and advertise how, by helping out in it, writers can acquire the skills necessary to improve their stories to get them onto EqD.
This. So much this. I cannot even tell you how much reviewing has helped my abilities as a writer. I look back at one of the stories I wrote before I got here and I gag. (and I thought it was really good when I wrote it.) I don't have a story on EqD yet, but I'm inching closer every day.

>I'm also sure that some of the /fic/ regulars will complain about the sudden influx of newbies that don't know how things are done and make a mess of the board/threads.
Actually, Ion's the only one who visibly makes a fuss over it. ♥ you Ion I can't speak for everypony as to how frustrated they get, but I do know that most posts to newbies kindly explain the rules. I don't mind them very much; they let me feel helpful.

>>125350
Wait, really? You have to apply for that job? I always thought Seth kept an eye out. Well, now that I think about it, that may have been the case in the beginnning, but now I'll bet everypony wants to be a prereader. Hmm, once I get a story on there, I should apply.
>> No. 125356
>>125351
It was actually expected for large number of newbies to come here and get instructed. The problem with newbies were the ones that came over asking how many people had the feels for my little dashie.

If the prereaders think the place doesn't want newcomers, what are the prereaders who are (well, were? I'm not so sure anymore) also member from /fic/ telling the others?
>> No. 125357
>>125356
None of us hold that view. Personally, I think it'd be great if the two /fic/s could get a promotional post; however, posting things outside of fanfiction is beyond our power. I'd sure be willing to bother Sethisto and the others about it if the community wanted it, though.
>> No. 125358
>>125357
Well, we should all be aware of that at this point Ion doesn't count, so I don't think there is much more to be done. I really think this is a /fic/ issue rather than a lack of promotion issue. /fic/ needs to change and reach to other people before prereaders go around "have you check your writing prostate yet? Why not go to /fic/, they will fix you right up."
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125359
>>125357

Give us a week or two to get our act together. Otherwise, yes, any PR is good PR, even PR PR.
>> No. 125363
>>125358
>>125359
Fair enough. Poke us if ya'll need us.
>> No. 125376
>>125359
It's already been a week. I think I'm beginning to understand Ion's infamous frustrations with the moderation staff around here, because I feel the very same frustration toward /fic/ as a board.
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>>125359
Maybe my Livestream will help bring all 'dem ponies to the yard?
>pic

>>125363
Oh, Vimbert—any possibility of getting an EqD Prereader thread on MLPChan?
>> No. 125380
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>>125376

Well, give it a little bit more time? I'm almost certain we can have the board straightened out and in good order by January.

Edit:

>>125379
Maybe. You might want to make it a little... better. It's only just begun, I know, but right now the show's really rough around the edges. With a little polish, I can see the Weekly Writers' Workshop being quite the invaluable addition to /fic/.
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>>125349
My, the sarcasm is so thick it's congealed from a metaphysical concept into a viscous fluid. I'm sure it'll be useful as a lubricant of some sort.

Also, repeating the "Fimfic editor group" thing twice. Do try to be original when you (attempt to) insult moi.

>Then stop cleaning the dirty laundry and stained manuscripts. It's not just us doing the advertising -- this board advertises itself as a "cleaning" service because that's what it is at the moment. If the board wants to be perceived differently, it needs to act differently.
And by EqD advertising it as something different, that would be achieved. People would come in with the idea of a communal effort in their minds instead of "these guys are free editors", which would then facilitate a shift in the modus operandi. Of course, you would know this if you had green-texted my entire sentence.

>I'm sure Seth wouldn't mind adding something about the TG in a nightly roundup.
>nightly roundup
I quite explicitly stated "Full-on post". Nightly Roundups get less views, are shared with plenty of other shiny links, and are filled with cakes that's for looking at, not eating, which is a waste of perfectly good cake. I cannot, in good conscious, imagine /fic/ sharing a post with such blatant abuse of confectioneries.

>I'm also sure that some of the /fic/ regulars will complain about the sudden influx of newbies that don't know how things are done and make a mess of the board/threads.
Which is why there would be a link to a thread/sticky that has all the need-to-know information.

>>125350
A Freudian slip. I meant to say your mother thing entirely.
But yes, that was poorly worded and conceived on my part. Apologies.

>>125376
!!Celestia has taken more than a month to respond to my emails. This is Ridiculous Speed in comparison. A day hits Ludicrous Speed, at which point the whole board will go plaid.
>> No. 125389
>>125384
>Also, repeating the "Fimfic editor group" thing twice. Do try to be original when you (attempt to) insult moi.
I wasn't attempting to insult you, actually. I was being serious. If you feel that our practice of sending rejected authors here hurts the board, we can stop. There are other places to go.

>And by EqD advertising it as something different, that would be achieved. People would come in with the idea of a communal effort in their minds instead of "these guys are free editors", which would then facilitate a shift in the modus operandi.
Or they would come in wondering what this board is, see a bunch of free editors, and assume it's a bunch of free editors.
It's not EqD's job to do the advertising for /fic/. I repeat my previous statement: if you want people to treat the board differently, the board is going to have to act differently.

>I quite explicitly stated "Full-on post".
And I subtly insinuated that the chances of that happening were not very high.

>Which is why there would be a link to a thread/sticky that has all the need-to-know information.
And if someone misread the sticky and made a thread that violated one of the guidelines, you wouldn't attack them?
>> No. 125449
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I believe this image has some relevance here, if my knowledge of the EqD pre-readers is correct.

Tell me, are any of you responsible for this?
>> No. 125450
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>>125449
>Pic

>>125389
>If you feel that our practice of sending rejected authors here hurts the board, we can stop
It's not that you're sending them, it's the way it's being done. "Go here to get someone to fix up your story" instead of "Go here to join a group effort in improving both your own and other people's writing". Or at least, I'm assuming it's something along those lines; I'd love to get a fly-on-the-wall perspective so I can be a bit more informed. Even then, though, since sending people to /fic/ isn't a universal thing (or so I've gathered), the message when people do recommend /fic/ so may also be phrased differently.
I'm not sure how much of that makes sense.

>And if someone misread the sticky and made a thread that violated one of the guidelines, you wouldn't attack them?
http://lolhit.com/img/ups/6948105381326192090.jpeg
Replace "cheat" with "lie". This is one of those situations where it would be easier to say "no" but would lead itself to a moral conundrum, so allow me to say "I'll try not to, but no promises when it comes to My Little Dashie".
>> No. 125459
>>125379
Eh, maybe when this one hits autosage. It seems overly redundant to have two.
>> No. 125468
>>125450
A typical referral varies by PR, but may be something like:
I suggest you get some reviewing help with your story. There are very helpful review threads on the /fic/ boards at Ponychan and MLPchan, as well as volunteers on FiMFiction and reddit.

If you want to suggest, however strongly, that people referred in that way may want to consider doing reviews too, then that's up to /fic/ to make clear. The fact that /fic/ usually heads that list already says something. I'm not going to indoctrinate everyone with /fic/'s mission statement as well.
>> No. 125480
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>>125449
This si the best shit ever.

Anyways, do any of the pre-readers also preview the music coming in?
>> No. 125495
>>125480
No, there are pre-listeners for that. We generally don't interact with them.
>> No. 125514
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>>125495
Because all of the pre-readers have been ritually deafened and all of the pre-listeners ritually blinded.

Equestria Daily is a dark, dark place once you get past the candy coating.
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125515
>>125514
I, for one, know this. It's why I never, ever go to EqD unless I need a link to the newest episode.
>> No. 125517
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>>125514
OMG, it's 2 the ranting pony! :D
Sadly you have it backwards, but apart from that...
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>>125517
im here to write some stuff
>> No. 125539
What's the point in quoting My Little Dashie several times in the previous comments? I don't get it. I thought the discussion was about /fic/, PRs and EQD.
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>>125518
Well, please do, Scootaloo :)
>> No. 125542
>>125539
I just went very slowly, and unless I wrong the wrong little dashie (without unicorns with prostethic horns which act like miniguns, and pegasi always wearing too tight lingerie), I don't know what you are talking about.

Or if in fact I read that story.
>> No. 125575
Spoilered because related to new episode.

How do the pre-readers feel about "Dash didn't become a Wonderbolt" fics now? The fic I'm working on doesn't revolve around the fact, as it's a romance story, but it does get mentioned in the story.
>> No. 125578
>>125575
Same as we always have. If it's good, it's in.
>> No. 125671
Not to bring up a dead thread or anything, but this seems to be the only way to get in contact with you guys, so...

Could any prereader tell me if you have a fic called "Boss of Me" still in the queue? I sent it in 23 days ago and haven't received a single response since. Should I just resubmit it?
>> No. 125672
>>125671
It's currently the oldest story in our queue. There's been some discussion on it amongst us; it is currently waiting on a second opinion. Sorry you've been waiting so long. We're trying!
>> No. 125673
>>125672
Oh boy, second opinion...well, I'm just glad it wasn't lost. I was afraid that I had somehow managed to completely mess up the submission process.
>> No. 125674
How many "Winter Wrap Up" and "Heart's Warming Eve" stories are you guys getting in proportion to others?
>> No. 125675
>>125674
That's "Hearth's Warming Eve."

And we don't really seem to be getting that many.
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125685
>>125675
h's, what have they ever done for us anyways?

Odd, I expected since it's Christmas time we'd see quite a bit of them. WELL I for one am writing "Twilight Sparkle saves Christmas". It's a completely serious story, I assure you
>pic
>> No. 125687
>>125675
Just wait until this writeoff is over.
>> No. 125730
Got any King Sombra (or anypony else who has been introduced in the 3rd season, like Lightning Dust)-related stories?

Got any Gak stories? If yes, did you burn the authors long enough to make them cry in pain?
>> No. 125743
Is it okay to write a very long crossover with a book (said book is about 150k words long)?

For example, a crossover with Alice in Wonderland (which is ~26k words) that is over 300k words? It´s just an example


Also, do you know why is this thread dying?
>> No. 125744
>>125730
I am aware of some King Sombra stories we've received. Lightning Dust and Gak have appeared on FiMFiction, but I can't recall seeing any get past the inbox yet.

>>125743
Word count is irrelevant if the story is good. And this thread isn't dying. There just seem to be fewer people asking questions these days, but its function is still being served.
>> No. 125787
I'm not sure if this question has been raised, so here goes.

Since pre-readers are unavoidably required to pre-read their peers' work, I've seen that you guys are sometimes criticized because of the possibility of favoritism. Whether or not this is true, have you guys ever thought about moving to a completely blind system to eliminate accusations of bias? For example, when a story enters the queue, only the genre, title and word count would be visible. I'm guessing bias isn't a problem, but going to a blind system would mean a lot less unnecessary hate.
>> No. 125789
>>125787
It would be a little tricky to do this given how (almost) all the fics submitted are on FIMFiction, with the author's name clearly visible in multiple places.

'Sides, fanfiction isn't a competition, and prereaders would get hate from certain circles regardless.
>> No. 125794
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125794
Out of curiousity, completely hypothetically haha, yeah right, if a review were to be sent in with a re-submission - "This is my resubmission, this is the review I was given and I've fixed the points raised" - how much swaying power would it have to you guys during re-consideration?

On a more general note, where do you draw the line between "this is a rejection with a strike" and "this is a rejection without a strike"?

EDIT: Also, because it's 3 hours to 2013 over here, happy New Year!
>> No. 125799
>>125794
>This is my resubmission, this is the review I was given and I've fixed the points raised
Are you talking about the review given by the PR during the previous round or one obtained through a third party, like TTG? Honestly, enough of us are aware of what happens in TTG, that someone would probably note it had been there. I know in the past that PRs have requested links to such reviews be sent so that we could gauge progress, but as all reviews are not created equal, fulfilling all suggestions of one may not be far-reaching enough or even a good thing. Of course, you're free to do so if you like, but I can't make a blanket statement of how much weight it will be given. If you're talking about previous PR reviews, we already have those and often check them.

>On a more general note, where do you draw the line between "this is a rejection with a strike" and "this is a rejection without a strike"?
That's a pretty subjective thing. It's up to each reviewer whether the fixes to be made are few in number and fairly minor. It also depends on how much progress the author has made since the previous submission. So, there are no official guidelines, but we don't differ too much on where we draw the line.
>> No. 125803
>>125799
>This is my resubmission, this is the review I was given and I've fixed the points raised
Also, presuming the author is referencing the PR review/notations, doing so shows diligence if nothing else, and that goes a long way in consideration.
>> No. 125805
Hey, this is just a shot in the dark, but do you know if there's a thread like this for the music PRs?
>> No. 125807
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125807
>>125805
>music PRs
lololololol
>> No. 125808
>>125805
They don't exist. :V
>> No. 125814
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>>125799
I was referring to TG reviews. Thanks for the swift answer!
>> No. 125864
Hey, you guys have a complete list of things which are auto-rejections short of length? And in case that fails, do you accept other people submitting works for an artist without his permission?
>> No. 125865
>>125864
>Hey, you guys have a complete list of things which are auto-rejections short of length?
We have a list of every autorejected story and why they were rejected. This list is not public.

> And in case that fails, do you accept other people submitting works for an artist without his permission?
No. If someone submits a story and we know they aren't the author, we won't accept the submission (and will inform the author if possible).
>> No. 125867
>>125865
How does that make sense? That's like having a cure for cancer and deciding that you would rather they suffer a bit for them to gain perspective before sending them home.
>> No. 125869
>>125867
Uh... what?
>> No. 125870
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>>125869
I also.
>> No. 125871
If you made the list public but just eliminate the names people could get an idea about what will be rejected and you wouldn't deal with so much shit.

Cancer=bad stories

Patients=prereaders

It ain't that hard.














I


















Also, fuck you Samurai Anon, I liked The social Experiment and your reasons are bullshit.
>> No. 125872
>>125871
That presumes that people would bother reading things on the list to see what tends to get automooned. Without the rejection letter to specify any reasons, that's not of much use, and the letter isn't something that should be made public, unless the writer chooses to do so.
>> No. 125874
>>125871
All people would be seeing is a long list of stories with reasons like "Grammar," "Clop," and "Too Short." Without releasing the emails, the information would be completely worthless.
>> No. 125878
>>125874
>Talk about posting the emails but not posting the names.
>Response is about not posting the emails.
I think I'm starting to see the real trouble.

>>125872
Which is a fair assumption if it isn't hidden behind seven links and an angry guy calling you a fag (no preader was accuse of calling anyone a fag publicly in the making of this comment). Negating the resource because you think it might do nothing is simply staying to the status quo and crossing your fingers that it won't help. Someone must read the current material, otherwise you would find fimfiction on your doorstep and die of loss of faith inhumanity, so one more resource might not kill the problem, but it might help, like the "hard to find" link to the current state of the queue did to stop the never ending "how many stories in queue?" That said... can't Sethisto add an easier to find link to the omnibus?

So, you are jaded as fuck, or you are seeing a problem, not communicating it to people, and hoping others figure it out telepathically or something.
>> No. 125879
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125879
Not to butt in, but... I'm thinking that

>complete list of things which are auto-rejections short of length?

Means list of reasons rather than rejected fics, and

>other people submitting works for an artist without his permission?

refers to cover art. Correct me if I'm wrong, but might I suggest that all this is just an unfortunate case of muddled phrasing?

Also, there is a list of reasons, right? Precisely like "Clop", "Length <2500", "Gore", that kinda thing.
>> No. 125880
>>125878
We already say what we autoreject for on the rules page: too many glaring grammatical errors, EqD rule violations such as horse porn, and length. What further good would releasing our list that says exactly the same thing at greater length do? I'm trying to see past your antagonistic tone for your point, I really am, but I don't see the issue.
>> No. 125882
>>125878
I think you're confused.

The reasons we autoreject stories are already listed on the EqD fanfiction submission guidelines. Those are public. You can go read them if you want. Most authors ignore them and submit their 200 word clopfics anyway, but they're still there.

What I was referring to is a list of specifically which stories were submitted on what dates and the reasons for their rejection. Those reasons, as previously mentioned, just say "clop "gore" "wordcount" "grammar" etc. There's really nothing there that isn't already on our submission guidelines.

So what, exactly, is your issue here?
>> No. 125884
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>>125872
>>125874
Actually, that information would be quite helpful. I mean, if the story ain't gonna get accepted in the first place, it would be nice to know about it before waiting around fruitlessly for what sometimes turns out to be weeks. And I'm talking about premises here. A lot of ponies just don't realize how overdone some ideas are, and it's real disappointing to find out that all that hard work you did writing it was for nothing.
>> No. 125885
>>125883
When a story is rejected, we inform the author immediately. The only reason you (or anyone else) would be waiting around for weeks is if it took weeks for your story to be reviewed. We won't, say, delete a submission and not inform you, however.
EDIT - On the subject of autorejected premises, only the clop/gore rules are set in stone. Everything else can be ignored if the story is good enough. So if your concept is overdone, knowing that it's overdone won't really change much. Just make the story as good as you can and we'll at least give it a look.
>> No. 125886
>>125885
I'd be inclined to believe that if I hadn't recieved

"Dear Author,

It is my sad duty to inform you that your story will not be forwarded to the prereaders because you've stumbled upon a premise that has been so overdone that we aren't currently accepting any versions of it. For your convenience, however, here is a list of things you might find helpful in patching up your story.

[insert list of things]

Sincerly, The Equestria Daily team."
>> No. 125887
>>125886
May I ask why you went anon? You used your trip earlier in this thread. It's not like you're saying anything bad about us.

In any case, the reason for your rejection was the technical errors. I agree that what your pre-reader said was misleading. What it should have said was "We are not accepting any stories with this concept unless they are exceptional, and this is not." It's possible that he was trying to avoid a conflict, but you have my apologies for that.
>> No. 125888
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>>125887
I find that -- and I really hate actually saying this -- that my posts not only turn out statistically better but garner more attention when they don't have my name attached to them. Add that to the fact that it doesn't need my name to be said and, well... I think you can finish the equation as well as I can
>> No. 125902
>>125887
Iirc, you never automoon stories because of an overdone idea, at worst you just are more demanding about the quality (like the Doctor Whooves' fics), amirite?

Also, I've seen some "EDITS" in your messages; how do you do that, please?

Do you know stories on EQD (which are not Fallout: Equestria side stories) where ponies use guns, grenades and all the military stuff alike? Because I don't see very clearly the limit between "it's too gore" and "it's kinda gore, but acceptable", especially when there are bursts of machine guns, explosions, etc.

On that topic: I'm writing several crossovers with universes where guns/grenades/whatever exist (and are used), do you have any personal opinion on that:

-Should the ponies in the crossovers use the guns too? With all the blood/pain/death it ensues. Plus, the story will get a "Dark" tag, which may draw less people (or more? I don't know about the fandom's opinion on it... From your PR position, you certainly have a better point of view of which tags are preferred, so please let me know!).
-If yes, how do they use their hooves to pull the weapon's trigger? Ha?
-If not, how to replace it? Deadly enchanted artifacts and magic stuff alike?

Important note: These stories aren't planned to be a remake of Sweet Apple Massacre or Cheerilee's Garden, if you understand me. A very few gore scenes may occur, but they are necessary.

What do you think?

Final question: How many PRs are there? (Active PRs, I mean, not the ones who never have read one story in four months)
>> No. 125945
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>>125902
Editing is a recent addition to this and one or two other boards. If you come back to the page after posting in it (Or, refresh, if you never left.) You'll find an edit button in the bottom righthoof corner of the post.
>> No. 125955
Hey guys. I have two questions about a specific story. I wrote something for the Las Pegasus Unicon's fanfiction contest, and I heard that you all were narrowing the submissions to the top ten. I'd like to submit the story in question to you guys for posting on the blog, but would that be a conflict of interests?

If it's alright for me to submit to you guys, I had a question about word count. The story is currently 2,460 words, and I know your cutoff for one-shots is 2,500. Is that a hard rule, or would you guys post the story at its current word count? I could add another paragraph if that's necessary.
>> No. 125956
>>125955
Honestly, we were never told that we'd be judging the contest until they announced it publicly (and we've still never been contacted about it since their initial public announcement), so I'd say submit away. Someone else already did the same thing.

The wordcount requirement can be bent, and particularly with your story being so close to the cutoffs, unless it's complete garbage we can probably make an exception.

Last edited at Mon, Jan 7th, 2013 17:28

>> No. 125958
>>125956

Cool, thanks. And lastly, is it cool if I give you guys the link to an unpublished FimFiction story and then publish it if it gets posted? Assuming it's approved, I'd like as much of a chance at the feature box as possible.
>> No. 125964
>>125958
Yes, that's completely fine.
>> No. 125968
>>125945
Thanks!


Do you know stories on EQD (which are not Fallout: Equestria side stories) where ponies use guns, grenades and all the military stuff alike? Because I don't see very clearly the limit between "it's too gore" and "it's kinda gore, but acceptable", especially when there are bursts of machine guns, explosions, etc.

Do you recommend to avoid using weapons in crossovers?
>> No. 125969
>>125968
>Do you know stories on EQD (which are not Fallout: Equestria side stories) where ponies use guns, grenades and all the military stuff alike?
I'm sure there are some, but I can't think of any at the moment.
> Because I don't see very clearly the limit between "it's too gore" and "it's kinda gore, but acceptable", especially when there are bursts of machine guns, explosions, etc.
Well, gore has nothing to do with the type of weapon you choose to use. It's all about how violence is described. "He was shot," is very different than "the bullets perforated his abdomen, and I will now describe for you the parts that were inside of him which are now outside of him..."

>Do you recommend to avoid using weapons in crossovers?
Do whatever you think fits best.
>> No. 125970
>>125969
Thanks!


One more question (that I asked before but I forgot to note the answer somewhere): can we get our story reviewed on /fic/ via email? If yes, where should I look for the reviewers, please?
>> No. 125973
I just got reminded of you guys. I don't have the time to deal with the list thing, so a faster one: everyone knows a lot of people know shit of how to use imageboards, and a thread hidden inside a fimfiction group no one has heard of is pretty useless. What about a tumblr dealing with more than how you all secretly write porn in addition to this place? Ask questions there, make announcements easier, embed that sheet with the number of stories. Sky and horsecock are the limit.
>> No. 125981
>>125973
http://shitprereaderssay.tumblr.com/
Knock yourself out.
>> No. 125982
>>125970
I know of people who have reviewed via email from a review thread or via PM on FiMFiction. It's rare, but it does happen. I do private reviews for two authors using each method.
>> No. 125983
>>125973
>Say you should make a tumblr were you just don't talk about all the porn you are currently writing.
>Get link to that very same tumblr

Fuck me with a holly plant, you guys can't understand for shit... I can't write for shit either, but your not understanding is worse than my shitty drunk texting.
>> No. 125985
>>125983
Forgive us if we don't jump at the chance to make a new Tumblr because one guy with a bad attitude doesn't feel like using Ponychan.
>> No. 125988
>>125983
Tumblr isn't very good for open QnA. With Tumblr, linking posts like >>NNNNN isn't easy or convenient, and it's nearly impossible to have follow-up questions in a way that doesn't suck.

Not to mention Tumblr isn't all that friendly to fic-related things. If we're going to advertise any form of "Ask PRs things," we might as well keep it here, where it's easier to impart information. An Ask-the-PRs tumblog would have little traffic unless someone drew the PRs' ponysonas and answered questions in a pseudo-RP style. Hm. Now there's a thought.

That said, we could probably stand to have some form of archive for questions, but seeing as how little traffic this thread receives (comparatively), it would feel like an exercise in futility at the moment.

Last edited at Wed, Jan 9th, 2013 02:46

>> No. 125996
Hey, you've mentioned talking heads syndrome as a reason for rejection. But what about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWdE1J2U7A8&feature=share&list=PLFAB0B0381EA9A36A
>> No. 125998
>>125983
thatsthejoke.png

And surely insulting the PRs is a good way to get them to answer your further questions.
>> No. 126004
>>125996

The little actions that Sanderson calls "beats" can combat talking heads syndrome. Phrases like "Fluttershy stared at her hooves" or "Rainbow Dash stalked forward" add action and body language without breaking the flow of the dialogue. As the man says, there's a balance to be struck. Too much pure dialogue is dull, but too many interruptions are distracting. Basically, that video is good and you should do what he says.
>> No. 126005
>>125985

Daff's hilariously snide remarks. I do not need a better reason to read this thread.
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>>125996
That guy's GOOD. Now I want to watch all the other parts of that lecture :)
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>>125996
Okay, I've been putting this off for far too long. I'm going to take Azu's advice and watch that entire series. This guy just... I've never heard someone explain it in a way that I understood it that quickly.
>> No. 126024
Hey guys! About crossovers. What if I take enough content from the source universe to claim the story as a crossover, but I also add many things (that are very important in the story) that do not belong at all to MLP nor the source universe? Accepted, tolerated, not advised, ...?

TIA
>> No. 126025
>>126008

If you think the video's good, you should try his actual books. The Mistborn trilogy is some of the best fantasy published in the past decade.

>>126024

That sounds difficult to do well, but if you manage to make it good, then yeah, no problem.
>> No. 126107
What is, for you, a good story?

Do you enjoy reading all good stories?

Are stories (that you enjoy reading) good stories?

TL;DR: Are you looking for a "good" story, i.e well-written, etc., or a story that you'll enjoy, even if the characterization could be better done, the pacing too, etc.?

(Yeah, the TL;DR part is longer than all the rest.)

Last edited at Mon, Jan 14th, 2013 04:22

>> No. 126109
>>126107
>What is, for you, a good story?
That's a very difficult question to answer. There are many things that go into making a story "good." It'd take a very long time for me to explain all of them.

>Do you enjoy reading all good stories?
For the most part. I have a few guilty pleasures -- stories that I know are not the best, but I enjoy anyway.

>Are stories (that you enjoy reading) good stories?
I think so, but I may be biased.

>Are you looking for a "good" story, i.e well-written, etc., or a story that you'll enjoy, even if the characterization could be better done, the pacing too, etc.?
I'm not sure what you mean. All of those things go into a story being well written. If the grammar is fine but the pacing and characterization suck, I probably wouldn't call it a good story.
>> No. 126110
>>126109
Forget the last question, it's ok, thank you! :)
>> No. 126111
According to you, who are the authors who write the best sentences? For instance, shortskirtsandexplosions is considered as a master of the written word. (Almost purple prose, ...)
>> No. 126113
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Question for all you under-appreciated, dream-crushing assholes at EqD: My story finished a while back. Now, I have another story almost ready to post. It's not the official sequel to the first story, as in it's not what I teased in the last chapter, but it does follow from events that happened within. Question is, should this be submitted as a sequel or a side story? I don't really think it matters, as it would roll into the original story's post either way, I'm just curious to y'alls opinion.


>>126111
>SSnE almost purple prose
>almost purple prose
>almost
>pic related
^_^
>> No. 126115
>>126113
See: >>125850
>> No. 126116
>According to you, who are the authors who write the best sentences? For instance, shortskirtsandexplosions is considered as a master of the written word.

Bump.
>> No. 126117
>>126116
Please don't bump threads when they're on the first page. Patience, my friend, is a virtue. Or something.

>According to you, who are the authors who write the best sentences?
I don't know. I don't pay too much attention to individual authors and their writing styles.

>For instance, shortskirtsandexplosions is considered as a master of the written word.
I don't think anyone that writes My Little Pony fanfiction can be considered a "master of the written word." But that might just be me.
>> No. 126118
>>126107
To add to this:

What if good fanfics were bees?

What if bad fanfics were bees?

What if you were bees?
>> No. 126119
>>126118
More honey for me.
>> No. 126121
>>126115
Okay, that's good advice, thanks!

But what I'm asking is how should I submit it. Normally, like a standalone, or as a side story to my posted fic?
>> No. 126135
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http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/01/story-when-moon-cries.html

What the hay happened here? Was the pre-reader drunk? I've seen much more original and entertaining stories with none of the massive errors in this one get rejected.

Crack kills, guys.
>> No. 126136
>>126135
Oh. Oh wow. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, actually. This fic was never pre-read. It was never even formally submitted, according to my records.

I have no idea how this got posted. I'll talk to the blog authors. Thanks again.
>> No. 126137
>>126136
NP. I saw that, and I had to break away from work for five minutes and bring that up on my phone. I was on the verge of either raging or weeping... :P
>> No. 126138
>>126135
I would ask to see the story, but that would reward it's efforts for fame. I trust it was horrendous.
>> No. 126209
It's been a week since I submitted my fic and I have yet to receive a response. How long does it usually take to get a rejection/go?
>> No. 126210
>>126209
Anywhere between one and two weeks.
>> No. 126233
What happens to fics (submissions) whose characters weren't OOC before an episode, but the new episode completely changed the mind/destiny/etc. of a canon character the story was using?

Yeah, I'm talking about the latest episode, which changed Discord in such a way that I should change a lot of things in my story. What will happen if I keep the "original" Discord trapped in his stone prison for my fic's sake?

Last edited at Sat, Jan 19th, 2013 12:32

>> No. 126235
>>126233
Just make sure that it's clear from the tags/description/story that your fic is an alternate universe.
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>>126233
Please remember to spoiler new episode content for a 48-hour period after the initial release of the episode!
>> No. 126237
>>126235
Sorry for the missing tags (and thanks to the guy who added them).

EDIT: Ok, !!SweetieBelle.

It's not an "alternate universe", I guess you wanted to say that I should say somewhere that the fic is set before the episode in question. Thanks!

Last edited at Sat, Jan 19th, 2013 12:33

>> No. 126241
>>126237
>It's not an "alternate universe", I guess you wanted to say that I should say somewhere that the fic is set before the episode in question. Thanks!
No, I meant to say alternate universe. If you're ignoring some aspect of canon, your story takes place in an alternate universe. You could also say it takes place before the episode in question. They both accomplish the same thing.
>> No. 126242
>>126241
OK, thanks.
>> No. 126264
81 fics pending review. My sympathies.
>> No. 126266
>>126264
How many are DiscordShy shipping fics?
>> No. 126272
>>126266
None that I'm aware of. Don't take that as a challenge.
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>> No. 126349
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126349
All right, let's talk about the elephant in the room. What's are you going to do about her transformation at the end of season three? I mean, even if they end the show and reboot it as Equestria Girls there will still be Friendship is Magic fanfics. And no matter what happens people are going to hate the episode in question. You're not going to just outright reject any fics that ignore alicorn Twi, right?
>> No. 126350
>>126349
If I'm honest, I don't get the issue. At this point we have so many episode, we could just follow what every other fandom does, and simply state "This story is canon until point X" and let people work it from there.
>> No. 126351
>>126349
>What's are you going to do about her transformation at the end of season three?
Treat it like we've treated every other major canon event. If you ignore it, tag your story as AU. That's it. There's nothing special about this one.

The rest of your post is just speculation. It would be a bit premature to give an answer to it now, so we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
>> No. 126357
>>126349
And any fics which take place before the event (which may or may not happen) are in the clear.
>> No. 126358
>>126357
It has already been confirmed for occurring by multiple sources.
>> No. 126381
>>126357
What does "in the clear" means here, please? (I'm not English)
>> No. 126392
>>122969

Hey there, Prereaders. I've a query if I may.

A little over a week ago now, I submitted a story of mine to EQD (The Lavender Letter, Twilestia Romance, link at bottom) and a few days later got a rejection notice.

Now that unto itself I don't so much have a problem with, but the reasons given for its rejection--well, from the email, I got a very clear sense that the story was rejected almost out of hand for its pairing and method--it seemed that it hadn't really been read in much detail at all before being turned away.

Accordingly, on some advice I sent a return email requesting the story get a second opinion. This was five days ago now, and since the stats show zero stories currently pending second opinions, I was just wanting to confirm that request was received. Failing that, I'd like to put it in again from here, if I can.

The story can be found here: http://www.fimfiction.net/story/78927/the-lavender-letter

Cheers,
Sunchaser
>> No. 126393
>>126392
Yes, we received the request for a second opinion. I just bumped the email thread for you, so hopefully you'll hear back within a few days.
>> No. 126412
>>126393
Cool. Thanks =D
>> No. 126481
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126481
Jesus, when did we get to 16 threads?
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>>126381
"In the clear" is a figure of speech that means you're safe. In this context it means that any story that comes before the aforementioned event will be safe from auto-rejection on the grounds of it not following the new canon from said event. Did that make sense?
>> No. 126484
>>126482
Ok, thanks!
>> No. 126488
>>122969

How quickly should we get the "this story has been passed on to a prereader/rejected" email?

I had a case where I submitted a story called "Learning to Fly." It was auto-rejected for some typos in about a day. I fixed them and resubmitted, but have heard nothing since, and it's been a few days. Did it get lost?

Last edited at Tue, Feb 5th, 2013 16:36

>> No. 126490
>>126488
It's in our queue. And a wait of one to two weeks is not unusual.
>> No. 126493
>>126490

Ok. I never got an email saying it had been passed on, so I just wanted to make sure it hadn't been auto-rejected again.

Thanks!
>> No. 126506
Well, it's been a while since anyone's asked this, so I might as well toss it out: is there ever going to be a new, revamped star rating system on EqD, or some sort of replacement for it? Seth used to talk about how he was "working on something." I know you guys are probably as much in the dark as the rest of us, but is that going to become an ACTUAL something someday? Did he give up? Was it all just a ploy to quiet dissent during the transition away from star ratings?

Anyway, answers to all of those things would be nice if you have them, but I guess the one thing I really want to know is this: are all stories from now until forever just going to have the "star needed" tag in perpetuity?
>> No. 126508
>>126506
Knowing Seth, he started working on something then kind of gave up. I haven't heard anything about it in months. You'll have to email him if you want any more information.
>> No. 126510
>>126506
If you email him about that, please tell us his answer.
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>>126506
>>126508
I never really thought EQD needed a rating system; it's not like it's a fanfiction site. Now, if FimFic could get a "featured on x blog" sticker, that'd be nice, but that's up to knighty.
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>>126513
>Now, if FimFic could get a "featured on x blog" sticker, that'd be nice, but that's up to knighty.
>pic
>> No. 126528
Hi, I submitted my fic Princesses Don't Potty a little over a week ago, and I haven't heard anything back about it. I was hoping you could tell me what the status on it is, if it's in the queue, or got auto-rejected, or what.
>> No. 126529
>>126528
Your story has been pre-read. You should receive your email within the day. (It's been approved. Grats.)
>> No. 126542
>>126529

Holy, crap! Really? That's awesome!
>> No. 126555
Hi.

After Samurai's pre-reading of my story (Schemering Sintel), I replied to him in an email asking for clarification about a week ago.

I haven't gotten anything back, so I was wondering whether something had gone wrong along the line.

Thanks for any help that you are able to provide.
>> No. 126556
>>126555
We haven't seen him around in a while. I'll bump the email thread so that hopefully he sees it.
>> No. 126557
Yep, I got an email of clarification from another fellow.

Thanks.
>> No. 126668
Because I turn to the EqD pre-readers for all my Nick Cage-related advice:

How do you feel about the fact that he's slated to star in the reboot of Left Behind?
>> No. 126683
>>126668
It might actually be watchable.
>> No. 126974
I don't understand all the LUS hate. Honestly, I'm more than happy to read different terms that refer to the same pony, it's more refreshing than an endless series of "she", or "Rainbow Dash".

Rainbow Dash entered in the room. She walked toward the door, but Pinkie Pie came out from nowhere and asked her where she was going. Rainbow Dash told Pinkie Pie that nopony should know why, and Pinkie Pie was no exception. Then, Rainbow Dash stepped forward, opened the door and peered into the mysterious gloom.

Rainbow entered in the room. She walked toward the door, but Pinkie came out from nowhere and asked her where she was going. The pegasus told the pink pony that nopony should know why, and even her friend was no exception. Then, the blue pony stepped forward, opened the door and peered into the mysterious gloom.

Which one do you prefer?


Plus, I thought it was a common thing amongst professional authors: circumlocutions aren't bad.

What do you think? Do you want a story filled with "he/she" and the pony's name?


Do you often get submission stories with alicorn OCs?
>> No. 126975
>>126974
Not a pre-reader.

First example is more readable to me.

If you want an in-depth explanation, see http://eznwords.tumblr.com/post/21010451863/ellyewess
>> No. 126976
>>126974
A few instances of LUS aren't bad, but when they're as common as that section, it's awful. It needlessly muddles the picture and complicates the prose. No author of real books uses renaming tricks that often; it is commonly used to excess in pony fanfic.

We very rarely get submissions with alicorn OCs.
>> No. 126977
Thank you both.
>> No. 127000
>>126668
If that's the one about the Rapture, then that is such a Cage premise. I can't wait.
>> No. 127111
Do you normally send emails when a story's been added to the queue?
>> No. 127120
>>127111
Yes, we do. There's one that's automatically generated when you're added to the reviewing queue, and if your story is accepted, you'll receive notice that it's approved, which places it in the posting queue. Bottom line: you'll always receive an email, whatever the story's fate is.
>> No. 127121
>>127111
>>127120
Additionally, those whom the fanfic box autorejects also receive emails.
>> No. 127155
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Sooo, how long do fics none of the prereaders want to touch end up languishing in the queue?
>> No. 127156
>>127155
Oh, 4-5 weeks sometimes, I guess.
>> No. 127157
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>>127155
It is for this exact reason that I choose to review from the top of /fic/'s TTG queue.

Last edited at Sun, Mar 24th, 2013 21:15

>> No. 127161
Ok, so does the "5 words" thing in the submission form become the "additional tags" if a story gets posted? Because if that's the case I really need to change mine.
>> No. 127163
>>127161
>Ok, so does the "5 words" thing in the submission form become the "additional tags" if a story gets posted?
Yes.
>> No. 127224
Hey, I know you guys probably hate having to endlessly answer these kinds of questions, but have you guys received a story called "Reach"? It's been more than two weeks since submission, so I thought I might ask.

Looking on the doc, your queue seems to be quite large right now, so are wait times just longer than usual? If so, sorry for pestering.
>> No. 127225
>>127224
You're near the top of the queue, so on average, it shouldn't be too much longer, but anything can happen...
>> No. 127226
Hello pre-readers,

I've noticed on the Editor's Omnibus that there are additional guides to help authors weed out the terrible/unacceptable on both how to depict gore in a tasteful way and how to properly approach a crossover in a work of fiction.

But I also noticed that there is no links to additional guides on how to depict sensual scenes in a way that doesn't devolve into clop.

I was wondering if there are any plans to include a guide like that?

Or is the (endless) number of clop that comes in not enough of a problem?

(Or, has no one written such a guide?)

Last edited at Mon, Apr 1st, 2013 22:37

>> No. 127228
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>>127226

I don't find most the guides that are out there very helpful. I've seen the advice of "avoid Lavender Unicorn Syndrome" do more harm than good for many, many people. I've seen a lot of people who have a really useless understanding of "show don't tell."

The rules for fucking are very similar to the rules of fucking shit up.

Describe things with sensory details. Too much "tell" makes fight scenes boring and makes sex scenes goofy. It also makes you look like a clueless virgin. You know the old joke of IKEA porn? That is a result of slipping up on show-don't-tell. Avoid it.

Similarly, don't waste time with thoughts. They are telly, they are boring, they break up the action. Sometimes they can even be downright unrealistic. Do *you* have an internal monologue going during sex? I don't.

Note that thoughts are different from feelings. Don't go out of your way to address feelings, but don't forget about them either, and don't let the reader forget about them. It is quite possible to show-don't-tell how a character feels. What, is he trembling? Crying? Growling? Screaming in unfathomable pleasure? Make sure you *are* expressing such feelings, and not just describing everything in an impersonal way that ignores the deeper, more important stuff going on.

Things need to move smoothly and naturally. Your flow needs to be impeccable. Scrutinize every sentence and make sure it is as streamlined and nice to read as you can make it. Slim each sentence down to the absolute minimum number of words. Make the meaning of every single bit CRYSTAL clear, and do not let a single drop of vagueness past.

Avoid cliche. This should go without saying, but you can add a lot of soul to your writing by writing something more personal than what everyone else writes. Yeah, I could write a love scene with swooning and kisses and whatever, and yeah, I could write a hilariously typical porno scene with animal grunting and rapid humping, or I could write something that lets unusual things about the relationship out, something that lets the characters express some of their idiosyncracies, something that rings TRUE and sounds like a relationship, not just a cut-and-paste scene.

Most importantly, be intimate. The ultimate goal of the scene is to get very up close and personal with one or both (or all three, four, five) characters. "Telling" is impersonal. Idioms and cliches like "he burned for her" are impersonal. Get extravagant with descriptions. Get superlative. Make it intense. Seriously, go over-the-top, unless you're TRYING to write about lousy sex...



Oh, what's that? You were asking about NOT-clop? Yeah, whatever. Stopping short of actual sex doesn't change things at all. If you want sexual tension, if you want "action" and excitement to the scene, you will follow these rules.

I am assuming here that your idea of a "sensual" scene is a scene in which your character is "rewarded" for whatever build-up they've gone through; they finally get the girl and this is the wonderful happiness that they wanted. If you don't have some kind of sexual energy in a scene like that, you are lying to yourself. Don't let your prudishness corrupt your writing. If you want mushy love and you do not want any kind of lust in your "sensual" scene, then I question what the hay your definition of "sensual" is, but I digress. What is in that scene, if not desire? Does the character feel protective in a big brotherly kind of way, maybe? Then harness that emotion, and still try to keep the idea of "intimacy." Make it highly personal, make it intense, and make it read that way.

If you're just writing some kind of sedate romantic scene where the focus isn't on the making out and the snuggling and the giggling and the whatever, then yeah, most of this advice is meaningless. Also, maybe you shouldn't write a sedate romantic scene. There MUST be more meaning to this scene than just the characters being in love. Are they just getting to know each other? Then there is excitement, there is progress, and there is that moment of connection. Are they out on a date? Then make the date itself interesting and stfu about the mushy stuff. If you can't make the scene interesting in a way that isn't mushy, cut the scene and write one that isn't pointless.



The thing is, though, that you're all wrong in the head if you think that "sensual" scenes, whatever it is you mean, have special rules and need a special guide. There are no genres, only themes. Every genre is the same. Every genre has the same rules. Good writing is good writing, no matter what subject matter you're writing about. I don't write clop based on some arcane clop writer's manifesto, with special rules for what makes a good clop story. I'm able to write clop because I've read some clop, and I've had some sex, and I've read some dramas, and I've been in some relationships.

My last piece of advice is not to listen too closely when other people give advice, especially if some dick gives you unsolicited advice with an adversarial tone, and he hasn't even read your stuff. Guides and advice, even when they are legitimately helpful, cannot make you a better writer. You must grow as a writer, and you can't do that just by reading a guide.

Anyway, I got carried away and put real effort into this post. I hope it was helpful.

...I really hate 2nd person fics. Especially 2nd person human. Especially 2nd person human porn.
>> No. 127230
>>127226
>>127228

I think the larger question here is more, "What's the acceptability threshold for sexual material in EqD submissions?" Maybe I'm wrong, but as an author with a somewhat questionable story sitting in the EqD queue, it's something I'm pretty interested in myself.

I'm not terribly worried about how to write a decent story, cloppish or not (though I really have no interest in writing what I'd consider clop). But the EqD guideline is just to avoid anything X-rated or sexually transgressive.

To me, that suggests there's a lot of room for sexual depiction. X-rated, to me, means some pretty heavy content. Sexually transgressive, though... That's a phrase that's very open to interpretation. I've heard of an author getting rejected because (at least in part) his/her story included a make-out scene that was deemed too stimulating. As far as I'm concerned a make-out scene, however sensuously described, is not at all sexually transgressive (assuming it's limited to making out).

But I'm not a pre-reader and, key point here, I don't really know the guidelines. None of us do. They've been cleared up to some extent on topics like gore, but EqD (and even Fimfiction) seem somewhat unclear on what's out of bounds sexually, and what deserves a Fimfiction [sex] tag. Fimfiction just says, "If there's sex, tag it with [sex]", which is... a bit simplistic. I've seen stories with the sex tag make it onto EqD, though not often.

I'm hoping I'll get some guidance myself, anyway, when I hear back about my story ("Purple Prose, or A Night at the Clopera"). EqD has taken the rest of my stories, and I think the writing is very solid on this one, so I like its chances except for the fact that it actually deals with sexuality, and I have no idea what that's going to do to it. For the moment, I feel like I'm really kind of stuck in the dark on this one. I'm glad I'm not the only one with questions about policy in this area.
>> No. 127231
>>127230

I dunno, he said "how to write" and "sensual" and he said that scenes "devolve" into clop, so I couldn't let that stand.
>> No. 127232
>>127231
Heh. Fair enough.

Maybe I'm just projecting. Myself, I'm much more interested on clear delineation of what is and isn't appropriate for EqD.

Oh, and incidentally, I thought that was a pretty nice bit of writing guide work there.
>> No. 127233
>>127230
An easy yet vague guideline is "Don't overdo it." More specifically:

1) Don't be explicit about anatomy. This first one should speak for itself, but if you mention a "quivering pussy" or "throbbing cock," you're probably well past the "decency" line. Even if you're talking about cats and chickens. Find better phrasing.

2) Make sure it fits in the plot of the story. You'd be surprised (though probably not) that this needs to be near the top of the list, but really... make sure your story's plot actually allows for the display of physical romance. Note that physical romance isn't just "get wet and hard," but stuff like kissing and embraces. Snuggling, even.

3) Make sure it fits in the style of the story. If you've got 4,000 words of Orwellian-sterile prose, suddenly delving into a flourid, dripping romance scene is going to turn heads—regardless of how explicitly you handle the actual physical romance itself. That leads into:

4) Make sure it fits in the pacing of the story. If you take too long to show the physical romance, it's going to feel porn-y to readers (and prereaders)—and that's something you should avoid if you're worried about any sort of contact boundaries. If physical romance is an integral part of your story, fair enough; just be aware that the more you dwell on it, the more retooling of the rest of the story you're going to need in order to support its presence within the story itself.
>> No. 127234
>>127231

Perhaps that was a poor choice of words on my part. Maybe 'intimate' would have been better then 'sensual'.

Eh...

But like >>127232 said, there really is no clear definition to what is considered "sexually transgressive" in accordance to EQD standards.

Would make sense to me if there was some easy-to-find examples of acceptable intimate material that they could point to in their Omnibus so that writers at least know what to shoot for.

But, I don't know. Like you said, there are no hard-and-fast list of rules to follow, so maybe it is just more or less a gamble (or trial and error).
>> No. 127237
>>127234

At any rate, I hope my advice is useful to you.
>> No. 127238
>>127237

It was quite insightful, yes. Good points to keep in mind.

Keep in mind, ...and not blindly follow to the absolute letter. =)

Last edited at Tue, Apr 2nd, 2013 18:05

>> No. 127239
>>127233
Ugh. I find this so frustrating.

This is good advice, and I hope people read it, but it's so totally outside the realm of what /I/ want to know that it feels like a non-sequitor. Yes, if you can't tell, I'm basically just impatient with the EqD folks. But they'll get to it, and I can survive my impatience. It's a character flaw, and I know it, so I just do my best not to bug the people doing the looking.

I think your advice and Tactical's advice is all good, useful stuff, and I'd love for lots of people to read it and try to improve on those things. For myself, maybe this is just pure arrogance, but I'm not really worried about those things in my own writing. They're good points to focus on in writing and to help oneself improve, but I don't think I'm in any danger of grossly violating any of those precepts.

I just want to know where the line is. (~.~);

Last edited at Tue, Apr 2nd, 2013 18:25

>> No. 127241
>>127239
There's no rigid line. If you go overboard on the sensualness of making out, kissing can be "too much." Conversely, a small amount of overly-descriptive sex can be "too much." Or a medium amount of mildly-descriptive sex.

But if you're asking for the 45° rule from Hollywood, no, that sort of thing doesn't exist on EQD.
>> No. 127250
Just one more question: Is there a way to dispute points made in a rejection letter with the pre-reader or is their word law?
>> No. 127251
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>>127250
You are welcome--nay, encouraged--to answer our messages in order to begin a civil discourse.
>> No. 127301
Is humor counted as subjective when it concerns pre-readers? As in, if a pre-reader is not a fan of a certain type of humor, is it counted as a flaw against the story, even if the story was otherwise alright?
>> No. 127302
>>127301
>Is humor counted as subjective when it concerns pre-readers?
Partially.
>As in, if a pre-reader is not a fan of a certain type of humor, is it counted as a flaw against the story, even if the story was otherwise alright?
The pre-readers are pretty aware of what they are and are not fond of when it comes to writing. If a story is full of slapstick humor, a pre-reader that hates slapstick isn't going to review it.

As far as comedy in general does, if a pre-reader doesn't find something funny, they'll generally include that in the rejection email if the story is being rejected for other reasons as well. If one pre-reader's opinion of the humor is the only thing preventing a story from being posted, they'll seek additional opinions on the matter.

That said, I can't recall a time where one pre-reader thought a story wasn't funny and another found it hilarious. The pre-readers that choose to review comedy fics generally have a pretty good eye for humor.

Last edited at Thu, Apr 11th, 2013 11:23

>> No. 127304
>>127302
So, in other words, the preferences of the pre-readers may deem the story flawed in some extreme cases? (I.e. niche humor, black comedy, cringe comedy, surreal comedy, and other extreme cases?)
>> No. 127305
>So, in other words, the preferences of the pre-readers may deem the story flawed in some extreme cases?
No. The preferences of the pre-readers determine whether or not they'll seek a second (or third or fourth) opinion on something. The opinion of the group will then deem a story flawed, just like it will for every other criteria of every other story.
>> No. 127306
>>127305
Ah, I see. Considering the delicate nature of a genre such as humor, I was simply curious about how it is approached, since there is no universal rule as to what is considered "funny."
>> No. 127309
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>>127306
There are a few sciences to humor. There's the quirky, random humor that is incredibly difficult to pull off for a widespread audience*. That's usually judged by how accessible it is and whether it manages to be well thought-out and endearing rather than a mess of "PINKIE PIE! YOU'RE SO RANDOM! LOLOLOLOL!"

*Fandom memes aren't funny in and of themselves, and even then, they rarely count as humor. Putting memes in your story is the social equivalent of the "Rageface Church Advertisement," attached to this post.

In a more traditional sense of comedy, there's situational comedy—a more serious take on the "random" humor, as you can paint a situation that's humorous for the individuals involved. This falls more solidly in the realm of "setup / punchline" that makes it easier to judge.

For example, last week, I read a "Comedy" story that established situations, but never really summed them up in any sort of punchline. This created the effect of, "Look, this character's being rushed to the door! Isn't that funny?" In and of itself? No. In the story? Also no.

So... there's the element of opinion, but there's also an objective science that one can look to—just like all literature.
>> No. 127312
>>127309
There is nothing wrong at analyzing humor through objective, scientific means (such as how the setup / punchline is delivered), but expecting that to be the be-all and end-all of humor can be dangerous, as said genre is one of the hardest to grasp.

For example, to judge humor based on the fact if a punchline is delivered would leave out some rather important works of humor-genre. In the world of internet we've got Achewood, that never really had a punchline in its strips. A more famous example would be Monty Python, who rarely employed punchlines. Much of what is considered "funny" depends on the cultural context, too. For example, if we think about other than western forms of humor, there are things like rakugo. So I would, at least, be wary about announcing humor easily definable by objective standards.
>> No. 127313
>>127312
I didn't say there were only two schools of humor, I only listed two examples to say that there are schools, and there is a science to judging humor.
>> No. 127314
>>127313
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that you had limited the schools to only two. I merely wanted to invoke a discussion about whether or not some of these schools are preferred over the others by the pre-readers.

And what comes to the "science" of judging humor, I think E. B. White put it the best: "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but the thing dies in the process and the innards are discouraging to any but the pure scientific mind."
>> No. 127315
>>127314
That's a quote about, "If you have to explain it, this kills the joke."
>> No. 127316
>>127315
Applies very well to the "scientific" judging of humor, too.
>> No. 127321
>>127316
Not necessarily.

If a story makes you laugh or doesn't make you laugh, that's a subjective judge of the story's humor—different things make different people laugh. However, if a humorous story doesn't make a prereader laugh, it's useful to be able to think about why: was it a well-made joke that went over the prereader's head (had to be explained)? Or was it a poorly-constructed joke that's more of the lines of "I get it. It isn't funny, but I get it."

At that point, the prereader's mostly performing an autopsy on a joke that failed—no humor is really lost or gained (other than a "ah... heh, I get it"). So the quote is mildly related, but if a story isn't making people laugh, there's a certain amount of logic you can put toward explaining why.
>> No. 127324
>>127321
You bring up a fair point. If the premise we are talking about is a story that completely fails its joke, or rather, fails to make the pre-reader laugh, then it is, of course, favorable for the author to find out "why" it fell flat as it did.

However, a story that "does not make anyone laugh," is a rather extreme example. As you said, different things make different people laugh. It does, however, raise the question I was thinking of earlier: If, because of the cultural sphere or the personal preferences of the writer, the story does not strike the pre-reader(s) funny, and yet entertains other people, can it truly be counted that the humor in the story has "failed?" While the pre-readers have, logically, higher standards, I'd hate to make the generalization about a bad story doing well only because "masses are idiots." Is there an option of discussing the topic (the style of humor and how it works and how it fails) with the pre-reader, or should the author automatically prepare for a chance that he will have to change his story's style of humor if he wants to entertain the thought of accepted story?
>> No. 127325
>>127324
From what I recall from previous threads, when they find something which they might not enjoy for personal preferences, they make it jump until they feel a consensus has been reached and it's declared overall unfunny. Or something like that.
>> No. 127327
>>127324
There's no real limits on style or type of humor, but it has to be done well. This, of course, excludes anything that violates the content guidelines of the website.

Last edited at Sat, Apr 13th, 2013 02:01

>> No. 127341
It's been said many times that an author is allowed to reply to pre-reader feedback, like in the case of confusion as to the reasons of the rejection. However, what should the author do in the case that the pre-reader does not reply? It would be rather hard to fix the story if the author is unable to get any elaboration to points made in the rejection email that he finds confusing.
>> No. 127342
>>127341
You can send another email to bump the thread. The pre-readers do their best to give responses when asked, but occasionally things get buried.

That said, the pre-readers should not be relied on to provide full and detailed feedback for rejections. If you're confused on one of their points and the response is taking too long to get back to you, you can try asking on a board such as this one or any of the FimFic editors groups.
>> No. 127343
>>127341
Just to reiterate what Daff said, the most official course of action is to send in another email.

The fastest way might be to ask your editors / prereaders / reviewers. If you've had people read over your story and they don't understand what the rejection means either, try getting new eyes on your story.
>> No. 127344
>>127342
>>127343

Thanks, I'll try sending another email to see if I could get an answer.

And while I know that pre-readers should not be used as a editing service, and have no intention of doing so, it was actually my editor's idea to ask for a few clarifications regarding grammatical issues noted by the rejection email. He was doubtful of some of them (I trust that he didn't voice that for nothing, as he is no amateur by any means), and suggested I'd ask for a few examples so that he could see if he had actually made an oversight, if the terms used in the story had caused some confusion, or if the problem was something else altogether. Nonetheless, it seemed like the best choice since that would put us back on track to fix what needs to be fixed.
>> No. 127522
>>122969

This is kind of a left field question, but:

Why have there been so few fanfics featured lately? I feel like most posts are "story update" posts, and there are very few new stories to read. Days can go by without a new story being posted. What gives?
>> No. 127524
>>127522
Combination of things. Partly, the staff throughput is down a bit due to many of us having exams lately. Partly, there's so much email traffic right now that it takes things a little while to get forwarded around. Plus we're just not seeing very many good stories in the queue right now. A few promising ones have been sent off for edits, so maybe we'll see those back soon.
>> No. 127576
>>122969

I'm sure this has been asked before, but what's the process for becoming a pre-reader and what are the expectations? I'm thinking of applying, because I get the feeling you guys could use a little help at this stage, but at the same time I have major RL time commitments and that means I don't know how how much help I'd wind up being.
>> No. 127580
Email to the fanfiction box. Let us know what your writing experience is, and heavy emphasis is placed on reviewing experience, particularly examples showing your comments and what the story looked like before you got to it, not just a list of stories you helped or revised versions, since we have no idea what your contribution was.

Expectations aren't really defined, but if you can only handle 1 or two stories a month, then it's not helping. I do about 4 a week, which is above average, but not astronomical. I give detailed feedback, so that's about 8-10 hours of work.
>> No. 127581
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I always felt like the prereader system would work better if you guys simply had to act as quality control, without proofreading or providing specific commentary. You could crank through a lot more fics a lot more quickly if all you had to do was say "your punctuation isn't up to par," or "your characters are bland and unengaging."

Do you guys prefer giving more detailed feedback, or would you rather simplify your own input to expedite the whole process?
>> No. 127582
>>127581
Some pre-readers do give brief summaries like your example, and some, like me, prefer to give longer review-style feedback most of the time. It's just up to personal preference.

For those of us that give longer feedback, giving a shorter response wouldn't necessarily speed us up. I compile notes as I'm reading, anyway, to refresh my memory, since I rarely read through a submission in one sitting. If I'm taking those notes already, why not share them with the author?
>> No. 127583
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>>127582
Fair enough, I 'spose.
>> No. 127591
Is it preferable to submit to EqD before posting to Fimfiction, or does it not matter? I want to get my story out into the stream as soon as possible, but I would absolutely be willing to wait if you would prefer it.
>> No. 127592
>>127591
Here's as good a time as any, I guess.
EQD and FIMFic have different goals. FIMFic hosts fic. Please do post your fic to FIM. EQD hosts 'Seth-Approved Fic'. Meaning, we don't care where it's hosted (within reason) so long as it's good.
So, yes, please do post it on FIM.
>> No. 127596
>>127592
Thank you very much!
>> No. 127607
>>122969
Gah! You guys centered the numbers in the queue spreadsheet!

MY EYES!
>> No. 127898
Hello there. Do you know any good stories whose authors aren't native English speakers? English isn't my mother tongue, so whenever I read a well-written story on fimfiction, I can't help but become jealous of their ability to write thousands and thousands of words without having to check an online dictionary every three sentences. Of course, it's normal for them, but does that mean that folks whose main language isn't English are very unlikely to write a really good story? Or can a story be both very good AND written in regular English? A story with no flowery language (light purple prose), some specific words should have been used to describe something, ... I hope you understand what I mean.
>> No. 127899
>>127898
As for non-English speakers, yes! A native Polish speaker (I think) going by Vilwind has a pretty good Trixie fic on EqD that I helped him fix up. It's definitely worth a read. http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/01/story-no-rest-for-wicked.html

As for simple language, I believe so. I can't think of any others or I'd post them here, but either of these stories I wrote might be the sort of thing you're looking for. If not, well, I tried.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/96296/my-mask
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/51567/eternal-seeker
>> No. 127900
>>127898
I feel like we had this question once before, but yes.

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/08/story-our-first-steps.html

Our First Steps was written by a non-native English speaker and got 6 stars. The language is a bit technical at times, but even as a native speaker, that was an issue; it works in the story. It's also a really good tale about the first Equestrian Space Agency.
>> No. 127901
>>127899
Thanks! It's an interesting fact.
>>127900
Thanks too. And sorry if the question was already asked in the previous threads, I didn't feel like reading all of them.
>> No. 127902
>>127901
Certainly a non-native speaker can write a good story. There are editing and proofreading groups that can help you clean up the language and word choice, but beneath that, a good story is a good story. Don't let the language be a barrier.
>> No. 127908
>>127902
>There are editing and proofreading groups that can help you clean up the language and word choice
I honestly don't think that I can find someone willing to correct every new chapter I write in English. Or are these folks ready to correct every big chunk of words we send at them? For free? That would be really great. Thank you very much for that information.

>but beneath that, a good story is a good story. Don't let the language be a barrier.
What do you mean by that?
>> No. 127909
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127909
I got a question, if you all don't mind.

What's the deal with FO:E being acceptable, with the terrible clop scene and awful violence and all, but, I dunno, Super Sexual Adventures 3000: The Movie: The Game: Chapter 1 of the Pagez Sparkle SaGa* not being allowed?

*: This is, obviously, not a real story. It would probably be full of sex though, as I'm sure you could figure out.
>> No. 127910
>>127909
When FoE was submitted to EQD, there were no rules about the fics' content. If it was submitted now, it would be rejected.


How do you guys deal with stories that talk about a major threat to Ponyville (or Equestria, or Canterlot, ...)? Most of the authors I know keep telling me that taking more than three main characters is too many (all the mane 6, for example), but I can't just pick one or two of them and pretend that only them will do all the work, when every great villain's apparition (Chrysalis and the like) needs all the mane 6´s participation (in the show). That would be, like, making them Mary Sue-like. One or two ponies defeat the enemy single-hoofedly, we don't even talk about the other ponies, they're useless. And who specifically should I choose, amongst all the main ponies that are concerned? Everypony has to play a role; if I don't talk about them, people will ask me why they're not more important in the story, what they're doing while the heroine(s) save the world. Should I say the classic and lame excuse: "They were imprisoned somewhere, only Twilight could escape"? "Only her could do it", "The other ones stand back all together and watch"? In real life, everybody is affected by great changes. Picking one or two of them just because it's easier that way doesn't sound right to me. I don't want to write and over-the-top amazing epic 1M words epic story (I'd need more talent for that... And loads of patience.), but I'd like to talk about how the main ponies deal with something big enough to affect all of them. Is it possible?

I hope that you got what I mean. How can I explain that the three quarters of the mane 6 are totally ignored in my story, while one or two ponies do everything?

Or do you just don't write stories that imply great changes to MLP's universe?
>> No. 127911
>>127910
Ah, so grandfather clause.

I guess that's a good thing, so we wouldn't get more awful stories.

Sage for rambling.
>> No. 127912
>>127910
Watch the show more, see how the ponies interact. If you need them all to stop a major conflict, then use them all. If you have problems with forgetting one or more (I do as well, usually Pinkie if we're dealing with something serious in tone), just think to yourself at the start of each scene: what is each character going to do? What's their motivation? How will they react to what's going on?

Depending on what kind of story you're writing, there are lots of other ways to make the mane six easier to handle: splitting them up, telling it first-person or from a limited perspective so you don't have to focus as much on the others, and so on and so forth. But really, if you want to write that kind of story in this universe, it would behoove you to learn to use the characters as they exist. Your story will benefit from mastery of the setting, after all.

>>127909
And yes, grandfather clause. I couldn't tell you why that chapter was posted in the first place, but it seems like it's not going anywhere. I rather wish it would, because it's honestly a black mark on the site. Not to mention it's awful

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>> No. 127913
>>127912
You.

I like you. Thank you.

Polite sage for being off-topic. Again.
>> No. 127914
>>127912
FoE is bad?
>> No. 127917
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>>127914
I think it's more that it violates EqD's current content restrictions, rather than it being poorly written. It gets grandfathered in because EqD had very few content restrictions when FoE was first posted. I don't speak for anypony from EqD, but this is my assumption.
>> No. 127918
>>127912
>Depending on what kind of story you're writing, there are lots of other ways to make the mane six easier to handle: splitting them up, telling it first-person or from a limited perspective so you don't have to focus as much on the others, and so on and so forth.
So, for instance, can I write a story whose chapters are each in the point of view of a pony from the mane 6? The 1st chapter tells Fluttershy's own adventure (her point of view), the 2nd chapter describe what happens to Applejack, third-person limited view, and so on?

If yes, that's great. I just hope that I won't bite more than I can chew, though. I'll follow your advices for that.

>But really, if you want to write that kind of story in this universe, it would behoove you to learn to use the characters as they exist. Your story will benefit from mastery of the setting, after all.
>use the characters as they exist
What do you mean by that?

Thanks a lot.


Is there any change to the pre-reading system since the survey on EQD a few weeks ago? Or is it likely to be forgotten?
>> No. 127919
>>127918
It has prompted discussion but no actionable change, and it likely produced no change based upon the results rather than previously set opinions of the system.

So there is a good chance it was a waste of time.

Sleep tight.
>> No. 127926
>>127919
Too bad. Thanks.
>> No. 127927
>>127917
>I think it's more that it violates EqD's current content restrictions, rather than it being poorly written.

Weeeeeeell, it has some writing issues too. :B

>>127918
>So, for instance, can I write a story whose chapters are each in the point of view of a pony from the mane 6?

Exactly. And make sure it's easy to tell when the perspective has shifted. :)

>What do you mean by that?

Utilize the existing relationships and characterizations to your benefit. Understanding how they work together in the show will help you juggle all six of them in your story.

>Is there any change to the pre-reading system since the survey on EQD a few weeks ago? Or is it likely to be forgotten?

Not forgotten, but change is sadly slow to come on Equestria Daily. That's just kind of how it's always been, and the pre-readers are not immune.
>> No. 127935
>>127927
Thanks, !Present.


Off-topic: Do you guys have any suggestion about story ideas for new authors, please? A very simple idea for a short story, so as to improve myself through time. I don't really want to start a big story if I've never wrote a single fanfic before.

I'd write it and show it on /fic/, in the hope that some guys will help me to find my errors.
>> No. 127952
>>127935
Write what interests you, seriously. If you're not invested in an idea, no matter how ambitious it may or may not be, you're not likely to do your best, or to stick with it if it's long. Don't worry about ideas that have been explored by others already, either.
>> No. 127957
>>127952
I think you didn't understand what I said.
>Write what interests you, seriously.
Of course, but I'd like to improve myself before starting it. I've never done this before. So I want to write a few short fanfics beforehand, and I ask if someone has some simple story ideas for me. I don't see the problem in that.
>If you're not invested in an idea, no matter how ambitious it may or may not be, you're not likely to do your best, or to stick with it if it's long.
I don't see your point in saying that, I was talking about simple story ideas you guys might have, not about the ones I already have. I am invested in the ideas I have, evidently. So that's not a problem.
>> No. 127959
>>127957
>I was talking about simple story ideas you guys might have, not about the ones I already have. I am invested in the ideas I have, evidently. So that's not a problem.
I think he's saying that you're likely not going to be invested in the ideas we might have compared to the ones you already have.

Anyways, you might want to look up Thirty Minute Ponies on tumblr or the old writeoff prompts on http://writeoff.rogerdodger.me/.

Last edited at Wed, Jul 3rd, 2013 00:05

>> No. 127962
>>127959
Thanks for the link. The topics are the ones listed in the Archive section, I guess? I can read "Time and Time Again" and "Hell is Other Ponies", for example.


If that´s what !Present meant in his previous message, then I'll say that I can be invested in any story idea I see, whether it´s mine or not, as long as it can help me to improve myself. It´s only a few thousands words long, so even if I don't really like the prompt, it'll be short to do, even for me.
>> No. 127970
>>127957
Ahh! I took it as "What should I write" in order to get views or something.

Actually, working off the writeoff prompts isn't a bad way to start. :) If you're looking for more in-depth story ideas though, I dunno. I've always felt open-ended ideas work best. Maybe start up a thread? (I don't know if you can do that here, please don't get in trouble on my account. D:)
>> No. 127974
>>127970
For now, I think I'll stick with the basic story ideas until I feel that my writing is good enough for more complex things. Thanks.
>> No. 127977
>>127957
I tend to hold with Brandon Sanderson on this one. For a writer, ideas are—or at least ought to be—cheap. Don't save up your good ideas waiting to be a better writer. Write your good ideas now. You'll get more of them later, and whatever strikes you as a good idea is more likely to catch the attention of your readers anyway, even if the quality isn't where you'd like.

My feeling is that you're far better off asking for help on the quality side (here on /fic/ or using some of the proofreading / editing groups on Fimfiction, for example) than ignoring your own good ideas until you're better equipped to handle them. Getting in the habit of not using your best ideas is bad form. Whenever you write, you should write the best story you're capable of writing at that point in time.

But maybe I'm a bit of a weird one. I've never found writing prompts to be an attractive option. I know many other people like them, but I find it much easier to look for points of conflict within the show's setting than to try to massage a generic prompt into a workable story.
>> No. 127979
>>127977
Well, that's interesting.

You'd have been right if a lot of good story ideas popped into my head every now and then. If it was the case, I'd just think: "Well, I'll get many other interesting ideas to write down, anyway, so let's do that one". But whenever I think about a story idea, I let myself think about it for several weeks so as to make sure it's not an ephemeral idea, or just plain absurd, and if I actually can do something with it. With such a method, I only have one idea every six months. You'll understand that I don't want to "waste" them.

>whatever strikes you as a good idea is more likely to catch the attention of your readers anyway, even if the quality isn't where you'd like.
As I said, in the near future, I'll write a few short stories and I don't think that I'll show them elsewhere than on /fic/. I don't seek readers right now, I seek improvement. Anyway, eventually, quality will bring me more readers than good ideas, I think. (Almost) everything is in the execution. Doing something that pleases me, when I've never done it before, it's just making sure that, in a few months, I'll look back to what I've done and regret it. "Awww, dude, you could have done way better if you had waited longer! Now, the awesome idea you had is now a ridiculous fanfic that no one really likes." Patience is a virtue, especially for authors, isn't it?

Finally, as a new author, I can't pretend that the concepts I love will be felt the same way by my readers.
>> No. 127987
Wow. Haven't been here in a minute.

I need help. I feel like I'm losing my mind here. How do you get over writers block? I've tried every trick I've read. I've read a lot, I've NOT read anything for a week, I've changed my location, exercised, took a walk, played music, listen to music, stopped trying altogether for a little bit then coming back. Nothing has worked. I can't get anything on paper. I know what happens in the next chapter, I jsut... I don't even fucking know. SOMETHING si stopping me from typing more than a sentence at a time, and even that is a fight. Hell, I can't even write any silly oneshots! Nothing is coming out. I'm pulling my hair out on this. It's already been a few weeks since I've written anything, and I jjust can't figure it out. Please, anything you can think of. I'm at the end of my rope here.
>> No. 127988
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>>127987
A few things I've tried that work most of the time.

>Outline you stories ahead of time.

>Listening to ambient noise seems to work better than music for me.
Like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RPjndlY-sc or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lasWefVUCsI

>Lurking in the #fic IRC has occasionally worked, since it's still technically "writing."
>> No. 127995
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>>127987
My writer's block usually stems from self-doubt about what I write, so my usual method is to get drunk or sleep-deprived enough that I don't give a damn any longer about the quality of what I write, then write a lot at a time.
>> No. 127997
>>127987
I work on fifty stories at the same time.
>> No. 128033
>>127987

This sounds distinctly like it may not be much help, but I just write. Nevermind if it's total crap. Nevermind if it's just me writing three words over and over. If I hit writer's block, I try to write my way out of it, however painful, and however awful the writing I generate. I can always toss it or revise it at a later date.

You could go all Joyce / darf and try writing stream of consciousness, too. That strikes me as something that might be easier to do, especially when trying to get through a patch of writer's block. Get yourself in somepony's head and just keep writing what they're thinking until you're clear.
>> No. 128178
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128178
You guys have probably gotten this a million times over by now, but I'm really knew to this particular board, though I have skimmed through it often. I just wanted to know if this is the right thread to ask all my noob questions, or if you guys have another thread up somewhere?

I want to write a story that I've had brooding in my head for a while and hopefully get some critique, but I'm not sure where to start XD
>> No. 128179
>>128178

Ask people nicely.

Try asking in the threads right here.

Or seek out Fimfiction groups like this one: http://www.fimfiction.net/group/197153/writers-and-reviewers-institute-for-technical-excellence

Or just ask people nicely in PMs on Fimfiction.

Or ask around in the threads here: https://mlpchan.net/fic/

Or make friends on irc.canternet.org port 6668, #fic or #equestrianstudy, and ask them nicely.
>> No. 128180
>>128178
Send me an email at [email protected] and I'll do what I can.
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128181
>>128179
>>128180
Thank you guys very much! I will check these out tomorrow, as I am very tired tonight, and you will probably be receiving an email from me as well :D
>> No. 128244
I've read several writing guides and I know the main errors made with crossovers, mere ponifications etc., but I still don't really understand how to write something that stands on its own, something unique, not a fic that someone else could have written.

I quote that guide [www.fimfiction.net] :
"Writing a good crossover requires a deep understanding of the properties being crossed, and an ability to see their differences and similarities and meld them together in an interesting way. Don‘t just write an MLP/Halo crossover because you like both of those things – write one because you see interesting ways the elements of the properties could interact."
"meld them together in an interesting way"
"interesting ways the elements of the properties could interact"
What if I wrote a fusion crossover with a game, where the main characters look a bit like the most important guys in said game, the main themes are the same, and then I write a different story, adapted to the MLP universe?

If you've read Fallout Equestria: without telling me to read it, could you please tell me what does make this story unique, what is the thing that makes it more than just a "Fallout in Equestria"? Or is it just a good adaptation, the author didn't really invent new concepts?

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>> No. 128263
Hey guys! Still nothing new with the rating system? I thought it was speeding up lately.
>> No. 128264
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128264
>>128244
>>128263
This thread's kinda dead. Just ask them at the FimFic group. That way it'll notify most of the PRs.

http://www.fimfiction.net/group/199406/equestria-daily/threads
>> No. 128267
>>128264
Thanks.
>> No. 128268
>>128264
What makes you think this thread is dead? We haven't gotten many questions in a while, but we still notice when they're posted.

I, for one, have nothing to add here. I don't read or write crossovers, so I'd be speculating as to what makes them good.

Last edited at Tue, Sep 3rd, 2013 15:38

>> No. 128269
>>128268
If this thread isn't dead then why didn't you reply to >>128178 ?

Though the whole board's kinda dead anyway.
>> No. 128273
>>128264
We have a Fimfic group? News to me. I've never seen this come up in any of the talk among the pre-readers.

>>128244
I don't write crossovers, so I don't have much to comment on, but I have read Fallout: Equestria. It is, for the most part, just "Fallout in Equestria," and in light of this, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone unfamiliar with Fallout. However, it has relatively well-written original characters, and although its treatment of them is pretty ham-handed at times, it explores some neat themes.

Still, if you haven't played the games, it isn't worth reading. The plot meanders a lot and lacks focus, and kkat is never happy with saying something in five words if she can use fifty.

>>128269
That question was more for reviewers in general than the pre-readers, and since some review folks took it upon themselves to answer, I ignored it when I last checked this thread.
>> No. 128279
>>128273
Thank you. Oddly enough, though, I've already read the first 30K words of Fallout Equestria and quite liked it, but I've never played the games. Well, after all it's up to me to abandon it if the plot becomes too complicated or if the story becomes too wordy. (Isn't it a problem with shortskirtsandexplosions' fics? I thought you loved them, vimbert)
>> No. 128290
>>128279
Skirts generally has buildup and foreshadowing for where he's going in his deluge of words (thus giving it more of a point), and I'll freely admit some stories of Skirts' I just don't care for (Background Pony, for example).

FoE just feels really aimless and directionless, which I've heard some people argue as being true to how a Fallout game is usually played, but it doesn't make for a very engaging storyline in a work of fiction.
>> No. 128292
>>128290
I see, thanks.
>> No. 128410
What's EqD's current policy on M-rated fics? I know there was some discussion of this above, mostly concerning explicitly described sex and gore, but the story I'm thinking of is intentionally vague about everything. It uses the word "pussy" one time and has some implied sexual imagery, but generally doesn't describe things much. It does, however, have a lot of themes about addiction and physical gratification, which combined with the above give it a solid M-rating.

Does EqD automatically ignore M-rated entries? Obviously Fallout: Equestria is still up there, but that could easily be a grandfather clause situation. I realize I'm not giving much information, but I figured asking a general question was better than wasting prereader time by submitting it.
>> No. 128411
>>128410
There's a fuzzy line, and if one of us has any doubt about which side it falls on, we'll bring up the excerpts in question for general discussion and come to a consensus. There are some things that are automatic disqualifiers, including explicit sex, real-world drug use, and gratuitous violence. But there is a certain amount that each can be approached. Off-screen implied sex is okay, and violence that is necessary for the plot, not overblown, and not overly graphic is fine. As to addiction, there have been stories involving alcoholism, iirc, and fictional things like poison joke. There comes a point that, as a group, we'd have to look at a specific instance and make a judgment call, so I can't draw a hard line for you, but I hope this helps get a feel for where it is. And I haven't read Fo:E, so I can't speak to it.
>> No. 128412
We're now on autosage and off the front page, if anyone wants to make a new thread. I've never created a thread, but I'll try to figure it out and find a picture to use if it goes on long enough.
>> No. 128413
>>128411
It does; thanks for replying!
>> No. 128415
New thread! >>128414
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