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126034 No. 126034

Can we make a thread about things we're personally sick of seeing in pony fanfiction without fear of reprisal from others? O.k.? Is that cool? Good.

1-An endless barrage of pessimism about the human race.

I don't know if any of you are aliens in the audience, but I'm a goddam human. I've had it up to here reading story after story talking about 'how pathetic' humans are. How humans screwed everything up. How the average human is in general worse than an amalgamation of Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, and Darth Vader. Screw you. Humans are awesome. And--I'll say it because I bet it needs to be said and that there are actually some people here who would disagree with it--humans are more awesome than ponies. And, I bet that humans can weather, pull through, or outright avoid catastrophes a hell of a lot better than the descendants of Secretariat.

2-Stories that are really just Mary Sue lectures from the author.

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick. I really could care less how much Quantum Physics you just learned from Wikipedia. I could also care less about how enamored with empiricist methodology you are. Your thoughts on evolution. Your thoughts on healthcare. Your thoughts on global warming. I probably even agree with you! But I'm reading a goddam story, I don't want or care about your personal philosophy of life, and trust me...it really does not fit and makes your story look really freaking tacky. And, some days, I just don't want to deal with more freaking political banter.

3-Shipping stories that go on a rant about same-sex relationships.

The first time I read this, I thought it fit. But now it's a little cliche.

The stories that don't even mention it and don't even point it out are better. They don't break what menial immersion I've made for myself.

Just go ahead and ship Rainbow Dash with Twilight Sparkle--that's enough drama.

Besides, if I'm willingly reading a story with that kind of stuff in it, then I don't think I need to hear that rant.

4-Every story with Luna inevitably mentioning how she went insane and got locked up on the Moon for a thousand years.

This is similar to the previous point:

The first time I read this, I thought it fit. But now it's a little cliche.

The stories that don't even mention it and don't even point it out what we already know tend to be better.

5-The nicknames Luna and Celestia call each other.

This is something I can definitely see other people disagreeing with me on. I guess I can see how it fits, and there's a reason this is near the bottom of the list for me, but..."Lulu"...."Tia"....it's too much for me.

6-They'll live forever...in our hearts.

I'm not a freaking 10-year old. Stop using this cliche. This got old after the first kids movie I saw that used this line.

Last edited at Fri, Jan 11th, 2013 05:16

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>> No. 126052
A while ago I did a review that was chock full of a few cliches that come up again and again in so many fanfics.

✸ New OC pony in Ponyville
...The point at which I swear I'll stop reading a fanfiction from now on unless the writing is convincingly skillful.
✸ New OC pony in Ponyville = Pinkie Pie throws a party.
...In which an otherwise likable character is reduced to a meaningless plot device that offers little more than a cheap connection between the fanfiction and the show. Pinkie Pie, the poor mindless party machine.
✸ Technical fluff that has no bearing on the plot, or serves no purpose other than to show off the protagonist’s knowledge or otherwise draw attention.
...In which the author wants us all to think that what s/he's imagining is really cool, but doesn't realize that people will just see a drab story with ham-fisted exposition that seems to do nothing but promote the author's pet fantasies. (To some extent I'm guilty of this but working on breaking the habit)
✸ The protagonist emoting about past mistakes or spelling out his/her needs/problems
...In which they become the center of attention, so that characters from the show can then assuage their fears and welcome them, even offering help.

Last edited at Sat, Jan 12th, 2013 03:46

>> No. 126053
>>126052
>Pinkie Pie, the poor mindless party machine.

.....there needs to be a fic based on this theme.
>> No. 126054
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>>126053
Seconded. I'll write it into my evil mayor fic if it doesn't get used to death before then.
>> No. 126057
* Fan-culture references in general. "20% cooler" was funny the first time, maybe the second, but after the four-hundredth time I think it lost its charm.

* Romance stories that focus more on pre-hookup than post-hookup. Oh abloo bloo, two shy ponies have unrequited love. Let's right a novel about it! Then, as soon as they "get together", it's either story over or a couple of pages of fan service. There's hardly ever any exploration of the actual difficulties that relationships have. It's like a bunch of idiots think that once you land the dream girl you've won the game. Ugh.

* Not getting to the fucking point.

But this list isn't so big. I guess I'm not such an angry person. Actually, I have a few things that I'd like to see but never do, namely:

* Badass characters doing badass stuff. Where the hell is our Batman, or Sherlock Holmes, or Van Helsing? It's like all the people who've figured out a thing or two about writing are so scared about making a Mary Sue that they forget that, sometimes, people just wanna read about badasses.

* Strong villains. I think this is a carry over from the show's general lack of them (Discord not included), but where are the guys who make you go "Damn, that's one guy you don't wanna fuck with"? I'm talking guys like Tommy DeVito, 'Pope' Cody, The Joker, hell even Goldfinger.

* Family in general. If fanfiction were any indication, nobody in Equestria has any family. It's like the easiest plot device to use, and nobody freaking does it. Parent-child relationships are like the bread and butter of drama. The closest thing we see are the Apples, and that's already got its own angle. (Twilight and Shining Armor's relationship is hackneyed at best and everyone knows it.)

* Stuff written with the structure of a novel. The problem is most people publish chapter at a time. This makes it hard to go back and edit (or even remove) the first chapters to form an airtight and cohesive plot. Essentially, a lot of longer stories are more like a bunch of short stories put together with the same characters and a thin overarching plot that some chapters willfully ignore. Not to mention the vast majority of stories that go unfinished.

* Magic systems that don't suck. (Then again this might just be me. My brother tried to get me to read the Riftwar Saga and I couldn't get past the first book.)
>> No. 126059
>>126057
>>126057
I personally blame this on:

1.) Current explanations for many things suck.

2.) People are using lists rather than sense to find problems, which leads to finding problems which aren't even there.

3.) People just not having someone telling them what works and what doesn't.
>> No. 126063
>>126053
It could be an excellent parody of super special OCs and a type of "Pinkie Pie loses her mind" we haven't seen before.

>>126034
A) Sudden romances. It just throws me when I'm reading about two characters building up a friendship and then suddenly there's this blushing and kissing completely out of nowhere. It might be because I'm not shipper and don't interpret AJ and Dash having a race as "AJ and Dash want to have sex". Or it might be there's no respect for a good ol' platonic relationship.

B) Bandwagon fics by authors who completely change everything about ponies until they're not even writing a pony story anymore and just pretend so people will look at them. If your story doesn't benefit from being MLP fanfiction, make it something else.

C) Those sci-fi crossovers where the first chapter cuts between some dudes on a spaceship and ponies seeing a new star in the sky or making a dimensional portal, and then we only get to the actual crossing over later but I already stopped reading. I hate boring setup.

D) Pinkie Pie breaking the fourth wall in ways that haven't been funny since the 90s.

E) Extra Elements of Harmony. It's like taping another wheel to your bicycle and calling the result a tricycle.

>>126057
>Badass characters doing badass stuff. Where the hell is our Batman, or Sherlock Holmes, or Van Helsing? It's like all the people who've figured out a thing or two about writing are so scared about making a Mary Sue that they forget that, sometimes, people just wanna read about badasses.
>Strong villains. I think this is a carry over from the show's general lack of them (Discord not included), but where are the guys who make you go "Damn, that's one guy you don't wanna fuck with"? I'm talking guys like Tommy DeVito, 'Pope' Cody, The Joker, hell even Goldfinger.
Gonna direct you to FIMfic cult favourites http://www.fimfiction.net/story/25966/austraeoh and its sequel http://www.fimfiction.net/story/57450/eljunbyro , with Dashie filling in the badass and characters who are admittedly introduced a good lot of words in as the strong villains. And Harpflank and Sweets http://www.fimfiction.net/story/7621/harpflank-and-sweets are kinda badass sometimes, or at least they're superheroes.

>Family in general. If fanfiction were any indication, nobody in Equestria has any family. It's like the easiest plot device to use, and nobody freaking does it. Parent-child relationships are like the bread and butter of drama. The closest thing we see are the Apples, and that's already got its own angle. (Twilight and Shining Armor's relationship is hackneyed at best and everyone knows it.)
Parent-child off the top of my head...
* Derpy and Dinky
* http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/03/story-for-those-we-left-behind.html (arguably not a great example)
* http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/story-bubbles.html
* Spike and Twilight kinda count?
Yeah, you're right. We do have a fair amount of stuff about sisterly relationships though (mostly Celestia and Luna though).

> Stuff written with the structure of a novel.
The Descendant's work is this. He's one of the few authors who actually writes everything before uploading anything. It's such a better way to do, but no-one has the discipline (including me).

>Magic systems that don't suck.
Subjectivity, ho!
>> No. 126064
>>126063
> Stuff written with the structure of a novel.
>The Descendant's work is this. He's one of the few authors who actually writes everything before uploading anything. It's such a better way to do, but no-one has the discipline (including me).

Heck, I'd love to do that too, so as to be completely able to change everything in the chapters if I wanted to.

But I'm writing two fanfictions which are going to be long (... really long), and I'm not keen on writing them all down, AND THEN publish them, just because it'd take several months, verily years, to finish them.

As you said, discipline is the key word. But even with that, even if you manage to wait the end of your story before publishing it, you can't have any feedback (you will have some... only after having published the chapters, that is to say: after having wrote everything down, so it is useless). If my story sucks, the amount of readers will decline as the story goes along and I wrote tons of text for - basically - nothing. If I choose the "publish one chapter at a time"-tactic, I'll get feedback on my story and I'll be able to change the next chapters if needed.

The Descendant is a talented writer, so he doesn't really need the feedback, but that's not my case. (I mean, I've never wrote any fanfictions before)

I already know what I'll talk about in every chapter of my stories (that is to say, these stories will be novels, not "several short stories put together thanks to a slight common theme that everybody has forgotten", as !Roger said), but I'll write (and publish) the chapters one at a time, in order to have some useful feedback on it. Is this still okay?


Last question: Where are the Training Grounds, please?
>> No. 126065
>>126064
TTG is here >>123480

There are strengths in writing serially and strengths in writing the whole thing all at once, and weaknesses inherent in both as well. Often knowing that people like what you've written so far and are waiting on more chapters spurs you on to write more (the main reason fic authors do it this way, IMO), often you get very valuable feedback, and hey, a lot of people like Charles Dickens back in the day wrote serially. I think my own longform serial adventure fic would be significantly poorer if not for the serial way I wrote it, but it might have been more consistent in some ways if I'd taken a novel approach. There's a place for both types, just we have way more serial stuff.

The best of both worlds might be to get a reviewer or two to look at each chapter as you write it and then release the whole thing to the public only when it's done.

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>> No. 126066
>>126065
Thank you very much!
>> No. 126068
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>>126065
>The best of both worlds might be to get a reviewer or two to look at each chapter as you write it and then release the whole thing to the public only when it's done.
That's sorta what I do. I never release a chapter unless it's been through at least two /fic/ reviews, be those both from the training grounds, both from single reviewer threads, or one of each. I think you meant the entire thing, though, which I've never done.
>> No. 126071
>>126068
How do you do when you want a chapter to be reviewed? I mean, the reviewers should know what happened before this chapter, right? So, do you try to get the same guys that you got for the previous chapters? Or it doesn't matter?
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>>126071
The way I write, it usually just doesn't matter. But when it does, I just edit the synopsis to pick up the slack.
>> No. 126126
Inter-Mane Six shipping.

Full stop.

I'm looking at you, SLP. ಠ_ಠ

I keed, I keed. Im a fan of your work.

But honestly, every single shipping pair has been done to death, and if I'm being honest, it's a bit insulting. The reason we are here is because of these perfect friendships these girls have. The idea that because they are such close friends that they MUST harbor sexual feelings for each other is ludicrous, and kind of sexist, I think. Obviously, this is not true for everyone, so take this for what it's worth. But I see this as endemic of them being women, and the stereotype among some straight men that all females have no defined sexuality and are a step away from lesbian make out sessions. Now, I don't know every woman on the planet, but the few I have asked have all said the same thing that I say: they may be my best friends, but that doesn't mean I can overlook the fact that I'm not attracted to the same gender.

Now again, I realize this doesn't factor in to everyone, so again, grain of salt and all that. I'm just tired of all the pairings. And I KNOW! That sexuality isn't something you can tell by actions, therefore assumptions of sexuality of the Mane Six is moot. I guess it's just I see them as straight, as I see everyone until they give me reason to think otherwise. The default is straight, anything else, while completely natural and okay, is the exception to the rule. So since I see them as straight, it seems OoC to me if they are all secretly in lesbians with each other.
>> No. 126127
>>126126
I wouldn't call it sexist so much as sex-obsessed: fandoms with more male characters do exactly the same thing.
>> No. 126128
>>126127
Very true. I guess it's not really them being seen as lesbians as much as it is people wanting two characters to hook up. And that's fine, but every single pair has been done to death. Hell, even the PARODIES of every pairing has been done! I honestly think the reason I'm noticing more and more straight shipping is because of that: the lesbian well is running dry.
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>>126128
>the lesbian well is running dry.

TRULY THESE ARE DARK TIMES.
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