>>133032
When is it supposed to come out?
Is steam really avoiding it?
What did the gaben say?

>>133033
* I dont remember when is going to come out. they just say Q2 2015 for PC

* it was on Greenlight, where you know, people vote so games get allowed to be on steam.
it was for a day or something, and it got on place 7.

because people was talking about how sick and twisted it is because the point of the game is kill innoncent people and nothing else, it was horrible.

So valve step back and said "We have seen the content of this game, and we have decided to remove from steam because it isnt a game which we would publish"

which mean all the horrible games that exist are stuff which valve would publish sto scam people off.

* I dont know what gaben said, it was some Valve representative, but sure it wasnt him in person.

looks kinda 8edgy16steam
and kinda bleh

>>133035
but isnt postal and manhunt kind of the same deal?

and it isnt like the rules on steam say

"if your game is 8edgy16US, you are pretty fuck up"

I mean, when i watch it look pretty brutal on the sence that it kind of make me cringe, but is something i hasnt seen before.

and you could say it explore to some degree a role which people dont care about, a sociopad crazy killer which send himself on a suicide mission.

Probably never going to play it or buy it, but that Double standar is dangerous.

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>>133036
i actually don't know anything about Manhunt
but isn't Postal more like a..comedy game about killing people or something?

this is just edgy for the sake of being edgy
it doesn't even look fun

>>133037
for what i know, the second game had more a satire feel.

the first postal was more "serious".

on any case, the point is that if it doesnt even look fun, people should not buy it, reviews should give them a 1/10, etc.

not them saying "wait wait, this is scary because we are sissies" we are going to get it away, even we dont have a rule which say this shouldnt be here.

then why Greenlight exist if at the end valve is the one saying "im not going to let this exist, but lets sell all this other crap which is bearly funtional anyway"

And who knows, maybe not all games dont have to be "fun", but give an experience.

Valve probably have rules to not sell porn games, but for what i know, there is non for being violent videogames.

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I see arguments about this everywhere and they all seem retarded. Oh well, its not like you HAVE to buy it from steam. If you disagree with the decision then oh well, you can't argue with a company

>>133032
Has this been pulled or not?

>>133037
>this is just edgy for the sake of being edgy
Can you say that definitively? I think games based on school shootings are designed for that but this just seems like a a-typical game people want with all the bullshit cut out.
GTA? Most people I knew growing up just used a weapons cheat and ran around killing people.

>>133040
Gaben step in and said "I hear your words my sons"

And it is back.

So everything is back just like it should, and even some extra free commercial for the game.

>>133041
It's not about the content, it's about the entire attitudes surrounding the game.

Judging by interviews of the developers (who sound like super douches), this game was made with the intent to shock people. Not entertain people with ultra-violence, shock. And that offends me. Trying to make a quick buck by exploiting human emotions like you're milking a cow is fucking gross.

And hell, I've talked to somebody who really is into this sort of ultra-violent darkness, and even he said it looks like shit. It's not really gore and violence taken to an entirely new level, it's just Postal again. Except with shinier (well, metaphorically speaking) graphics, and completely culturally irrelevant. There's no real controversy surrounding violence in video games, so at best this is just moody 14-year-old emo poetry in game form, and at worst a fucking insult to people who have lost their lives in recent shootouts.

TL;DR : A game starring a twat, made by twats, for twats, that offends not moral sensibilities or good taste, but the very purpose of artistic expression. And people who were killed by real-life nutjobs.

Sorry, but I like my games to be a bit more mature than 90's kid rebellious bullshit.

>>133048
and for that, it should receive 1/10 reviews, and a bad reputation.

but just going "i dont like you, so we are going to ignore the rules to fuck you up" is not the right answer just blocking it just because.

thats like wanting to destroy mortal kombat back in the day because all it had going for is the violence.

and dont be sorry, you can still tell to people how the game is full of Bs and is retarded 90's kid revellious bullshit, and dont buy it for nobody.

i mean, im probably not to play it, but that dont allow me to make a movement to stop it.

>>133049
Just to reiterate, I don't oppose their right to publish their game. They CAN publish the game, it's in their power and nobody should take that away. I'm arguing that they SHOULDN'T.

>>133050
oh, ok, then you can keep going.

  I still see nothing wrong with this game whatsoever. Could they be publishing it for shock value? Ok, so what? This is nothing new, and believe it or not people like to be shocked. Or else no one would be giving this the time of day. I can't even find anything about this game that's offensive, because whether it be a game or film, it's been done before, and more graphic. It's basically an Exploitation Film, but for Video Games.

The Graphics just look sorta dated, which I find surprising because I thought they could have done better on Unreal.

I mean, the parody looks better Graphic quality wise.

>>133057
That is going to be a thing?
it would be interesting if it was a thing.

>>133058
Yah, I'm pretty sure it's real. If you notice, there's actual little censor pixels by his crotch at the end. If/When this comes out, no one will mind if there's excessive nudity though, probably because it's "satirical."

I'd probably play it, though. I'd probably play both of these, just to see what they're like. They'll both be funny I'm sure, though. Hatred has it's over-the-top monologuing which so far has been ultra-narm and is creeping up in The Room territory, and First Person Lover... Well... Ooooh yeeaaaahhh... (cue disco ball and low lights, and drone metal)

>>133057
What offends me is that it's clearly a cynical exploitation designed to purposefully stir controversy to drive up sales. Who gives a fuck about the quality of the game, as long as enough people get morbidly curious, we're strapped, right?

...This shit is just Postal without any cultural relevance.

>>133057
Also, this trailer would be a lot funnier if on the other side of the door was the Postal Dude asking the guy if he wants to sign his petition.

>>133060
Postal actually has very little cultural relevance. Postal 2 and 3 attempt it, however. The film... Well... It was kind of funny. Also, I very much doubt this game was purposely made to be "exploitive" or drive up sales because "controversy." Unless, of course, you believe GTAIII, Mortal Kombat, and Doom were made for the same reasons. If anything, there's a shit load of games out there where mass killings like this can be attempted, but are not (always) objectives, and the devs here decided "Hey, lets make it the point. Just because." And I still believe this game is meant to be somewhat parodical of the Black Metal culture of the 90s. E.G. The band Mayhem and their activities.

Now, if you have some proof to the contrary....

edit: Hold on, did the hotlinking method change? Or just different on this board?


>>133061
Although it'd be pointless as it's not a Postal game and Postal 2 is actually getting a new expansion (Heh, I wonder if they'll add any Hatred references to it now), that would be a pretty funny scenario....

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>>133060
but the cultural relevance wasnt fake that it make the people living there mad?

>>133062
>Postal actually has very little cultural relevance.
It was one of the most well-known violent video games, and it did push the envelope on how violent games could be. Sure, it wasn't THE most important game out there, but it still has some meaning. Hatred is just... Postal. Except again. And somehow with murkier graphics. And in an era where we have saw and accepted way more fucked-up shit.

We are also yet to see if this will have the grim, disturbing atmosphere of Postal where we catch a glimpse of how utterly insane the Postal Dude really is. I dunno, I just really liked the Journal entries.

>Postal 2 and 3 attempt it, however.
Eh, I think my biggest issue with Postal 2 is that it seemed to bank too much on it being controversial. I dunno, it seemed a bit too full of itself, specially since the game is rather fun without all that bullshit, if incredibly stupid.

My biggest issue with Postal 3 was that it was bad.

>Now, if you have some proof to the contrary....
It's just the vibe that I got from interviews with the developers. They sounded like ultra-douches that made the game with the specific intent to shock people, rather than give an entertaining experience. I just think that games should be made with the intent to give something to the player, rather than just exploit a weakness in the audience to make a quick buck. Rampant commercialization of art is something that I oppose, is all.

Now, I could be completely wrong, and they could just be making this game in earnest, but I'm still mistrustful of their intentions. If they are really just making a game to be fun, whatever. It's too gruesome for my tastes (I like my targets to fight back, thank you very much), but whatever, I don't give a fuck if people want to play it, I just won't play it myself.

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>>133064
Ooh, I think I misunderstood "Cultural Relevance." I thought you meant, like, Postal 1 did a lot to Parody IRL stuff, where I don't think it did. I see what you meant now, though even when it came out, it didn't really get that much attention. Or at least not on a Doom/MK/"We need a Game Rating System" scale (Postal might have come after the ESRB was established, I think? At which point the politicians, save a few Liebers, stopped caring).

I agree about Postal 2, though I still thought it was fairly funny, if only because of how dumb it was (Extra points for Gary Coleman's "BY THE DAMN BOOK"). I remember seeing some videos for Postal 3, and it looked funny, but the gameplay did look awful. Too bad. I think you can kill Uwe Boll in it.

> They sounded like ultra-douches that made the game with the specific intent to shock people, rather than give an entertaining experience

I didn't read any interviews, so you may have a point. But I think the whole goal of the Exploitation is too do that kind of thing. Generally, while shocking, it still has a message and isn't exactly "Grabbing a Buck because of Shock" but rather "Grabbing a Shock because of Shock." It's kind of a social experiment, really. People may just want to shock people not because they want their money, but just to shock them. In the case of the devs, I guess because they're angsty-kids/adults who just feel like they need a virtual release. Rather mow down countless digi-people than real people.

And what you talking 'bout fighting back? The cops got guns! :P

>>133063
I'm seriously having issues understanding this. It's like two thoughts were charging each other like a freight train and combined into one semi-sensible sentence.

>>133064
>It's just the vibe that I got from interviews with the developers. They sounded like ultra-douches that made the game with the specific intent to shock people, rather than give an entertaining experience. I just think that games should be made with the intent to give something to the player, rather than just exploit a weakness in the audience to make a quick buck. Rampant commercialization of art is something that I oppose, is all.
Does it really matter what their intent was? Good game is a good game, most of Hollywood is left leaning and I don't like what many actors say to the press on the red carpet but I don't see how that relates to the quality of the movies they act in.
On one YouTube video for a band I like, I saw a comment similar to yours "I saw a interview with this band and they all seemed like douchebags, and their music tracks all have negative titles. This is not good music, I would know because I have the intelligence of a music journalist" or something along those lines and I assume the person never listened to the album.

I didn't even watch the trailer till now, so it's just a twin stick shooter where you can occasionally do a button prompt where it gioes in for a close two second execution cutscene?
Looked on par if not less worse than things I've seen in God of War, Gears, MK, Twisted Metal or uncensored Manhunt.

Somepony photoshop this onto Fluttershy.

>>133067
for some reason i was thinking on Postal the movie.

>>133066
Well, Postal 1 was banned in Brazil, there's that.

I think Counter-Strike also was, but that didn't stop every Lan-House from still having it. Because fuck the government.

>I remember seeing some videos for Postal 3, and it looked funny
It is, but the Gameplay is rather lacking. It's just a sub-standard 3rd person shooter with a rather stupid hero/psycho mechanic that was a series of linear missions rather than an open-world sandbox.
The grindhouse-esque presentation was fairly cool, though.

>And what you talking 'bout fighting back? The cops got guns! :P
Well, yeah, but you gotta kill people who won't fight back before they show up.

I dunno, I just think Postal 2 was a more effective social experiment. It IS just as violent as you are, the game doesn't force you to kill innocent people, burn them alive, pee in their faces, or multilate their corpses. Everything that happens on the game is on your account.

>>133068
>Does it really matter what their intent was?
To me? Yes. Maybe it's a personal thing, but I have problems separating artist from work. I am not inclined to support one's endeavors if that one is a prick.

>>133071
>I am not inclined to support one's endeavors if that one is a prick.
In the case of this game you might not be missing much, but in other cases you might.
"Why punish the son for the sins of the father?"

  >>133073
The sins of the father, transfer to the son

>>133073
Not really, I just can't enjoy something as much when the creator is a prick.

I sure as hell have problems liking the FF#3 after it was known that Ted was an SJW.

Glad it got put back on Steam.

I'm gonna keep my eyes on it, might pick it up if it turns out to be decent.

>>133077
The creator of Earthworm Jim is a devout Catholic and doesn't like gays and believes they'll all burn in Hell.
First two EJ games were amazing.

Holy fuck that just looks so fucking edgy. Like retardedly edgy. Whatever about it not getting published though, glad it isn't getting removed, but it looks fucking stupid. I'm glad it doesn't have a soundtrack because it'd be full of crappy screamo.

>>133077
I tend to find it better to simply ignore artists and just stick to the project/product. If there's anypony that I get wrapped into and I really don't want to give them any money then I'll just torrent it or something.

And even then, I tend to like some artists while thinking their product is crap. Like Slipknot. In some interviews their lead singer seems pretty cool, but God damn, I've maybe heard of one song of theirs I even liked remotely.

>>133032
To be fair, I don't remember him saying they would all burn in hell. I only remember him equating gay marriage to "taking a dump in the girls bathroom".

>>133093
What, does he think that women don't have to take a dump too?

>>133048
The developers are mostly white supremacists and neo-nazis, so yeah, they're dicks.

Sources
CEO and Animator Jarosław Zieliński has prominently displayed an endorsement on his public Facebook page of the Polska Liga Obrony: an established nationalist Islamophobic, anti-immigration hate group.
Gameplay designer Jakub Stychno is a supporter of the fascistic Obóz Narodowo Radykalny, as well as the homophobic, nationalistic Młodzież Wszechpolska.
FX artist Marcin Kaźmierczak is also a supporter of Młodzież Wszechpolska, and of several anti-social justice, anti-gay Facebook pages. (Including a right-wing boycott of a Polish boxer who supports gay rights.)
Level designer and lighting artist Cyprian Listowski has another job as a tattoo designer; two of his original designs include symbolism commonly associated with right-wing groups. One depicts a sonnenrad, a sunwheel symbol popular among Neo-Nazis. The other incorporates a słoneczko (an Early Slavic variation on the swastika appropriated by nationalists) and an “othala rune”, framed within a larger “life rune”.

http://fucknovideogames.tumblr.com/post/100204212288 master post here

>>133094
nah, he meant guys taking a dump in the girls restroom. somehow gay marriage is equivalent to that. I'm not sure he even believes there is a hell. Many younger Catholics I know reject the idea.

>>133095
Why is eastern europe full of organizations dedicated solely to being bigoted shitfaces?

>>133095
>symbolism commonly associated with right-wing groups. One depicts a sonnenrad, a sunwheel symbol popular among Neo-Nazis
Nazis are socialists, that is left-wing.

>>133095
>trusting anything Fuck No Video Games posts

http://www.playerattack.com/news/2014/10/17/hatred-is-the-neo-nazi-hate-crime-of-video-games/

Specifically the apology added to the end of the article:

APOLOGY: An earlier version of this post mistakenly referred to the Żołnierze wyklęci (Cursed soldiers) as a neo-Nazi group. We have since learned more about the Cursed soldiers and amended the post. We offer sincere apologies to anypony we may have offended by this comparison.

Polska Liga Obrony and Młodzież Wszechpolska are both right-wing nationalist groups, with Obóz Narodowo Radykalny identified by the European Human Rights Association as perpetrating hate speech.

Also from the comments:

Firstly, the cursed soldiers were not “right-wing” or “anti-communist”, you’re talking about a huge group of soldiers that also fought the Nazis before fighting a guerrilla campaign against the brutal Stalinist regime that seized power in Poland at the end of WWII, they were soldiers who fought an unwinnable battle for Poland’s right to self-determination. When your complete and total inability to fact check a story at a basic level results in you spreading 70 year old Stalinist propaganda sullying the names of tens of thousands of war dead, you should seriously rethink how you get your “stories”.

Secondly, “Neo-Nazi” is not a synonym for right-wing extremism, you might not see the difference, but I guarantee if you lived in a country where Nazis slaughtered 6 million people you’d understand it’s not a term for use as hyperbole.

The insensitive and outright incompetent way this story was handled is an absolute disgrace and you should be totally ashamed of yourself.

tl;dr: They're not neo-nazis, and Fuck No Video Games is an asshole.

>>133101
Socialism is inherently left-wing, but Nazis were Fascist, and Fascism is right-wing as fuck. Plus ideologically they were pretty right-wing. No free speech, a heavy focus on moralistic ideologies and healthy side-order of civilian monitoring isn't left-wing at all.

So yeah, no, just because you're a socialist, you're not left-wing. Stalin was technically a socialist and no one calls him left-wing.

>>133107

That's Authoritarianism, not Right-Wing.

>>133102
On the one hand, people legitimately angry about an admittedly poorly-researched article.

On the other hand, people also whining about an internet site calling some racist, bigoted douchebags racist bigoted douchebags.

>>133102
>When your complete and total inability to fact check a story at a basic level results in you spreading 70 year old Stalinist propaganda
I lost it.

>>133107
>Stalin was technically a socialist and no one calls him left-wing.
Because the schools and Hollywood are run by liberals, you think they would put themselves in the same box as Stalin or Hitler? They don't mind doing it with Lenin though despite him and Stalin being cut from the same cloth, I guess killing a shitload of people will get people to not want political affiliation.