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162827 No. 162827 ID: 99bf32
Like, out of genuine curiosity. Isn't that something important to be allowed to discuss?
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>> No. 162829 ID: ce6132
>>162828
Clearly you havent been looking enough.
(I think the thread is on page 3 or 4)
>> No. 162830 ID: 99bf32
>>162829

Statement removed.
>> No. 162831 ID: ce6132
>>162830
And regarding op. Unless the ban was unfair and you want to make it clear to other people that you think it was unfair. It's really just something that should be between the banned and the mod who banned them.
>> No. 162832 ID: 99bf32
>>162831

I find it was unfair.
>> No. 162833 ID: ce6132
>>162832
Ok. Now you just have to tell why and hope that some people who cares comes by and agrees with you.

Maybe the one who banned him will reconsider it or something.
>> No. 162834 ID: 99bf32
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162834
>>162833

It was Fenolio. He banned both Manley and McEdge for being hypocritical and "presenting their opinions poorly", respectively.

I think he is a poor admin and has no business running this site.

Does that work?
>> No. 162835 ID: ce6132
>>162834
Perhaps. Let's wait and see.
>> No. 162836 ID: 99bf32
>>162835

Will do.
>> No. 162837 ID: 40a1fc
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162837
"It's really just something that should be between the banned and the mod who banned them. "
This, otherwise it turns into this whole 3 ring circus malarky with everyone trying to backseat moderate something they more than likely do not have the whole context for and are more than likely just trying to get their friends unbanned / keep a person they dislike banned / stirring shit for laughs.

>>162834
"Yes it's legit, it's only that long because he's been banned for similar problems in the past (Unless i'm looking at his history wrong), otherwise it'd just be a slap on the wrist for acting like a dingleberry.
Not going to discuss it publicly any further than that, if i'm wrong then i'm wrong and i'll reduce / remove it, i'm pretty sure he knows how to contact me or the other mods, but can you give him my skype name on the off chance he doesnt have it?
"

Is something that i also posted in the thread.
Contrary to popular belief, i can admit when i am wrong and in this instance even asked the other mods for their opinions on it shortly after i placed the bans (And have recieved mixed answers while i've been at work)
It would be nice if mcedge felt he could come directly to me if he had a problem, but i understand that i've been at work for the past eight hours so he's been unable to.

Manley's ban was not just for being hypocritical, not saying any more than that because of privacy.

Other than this instance, can i ask why you believe me to be a poor admin who has no business running the site?
>> No. 162838 ID: 99bf32
>>162837

Does that mean that it matters more who posts something than what is actually posted?

He was essentially banned for presenting an opinion in a manner that you disagreed with, unless I'm misunderstanding?

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>>162838
I've explained time and time and time again that you can have whatever opinion you want, you just need to not be a douche with it.

Ordinarily, this kind of thing only merits a "Tone it down please." but mcedge has done this kind of thing multiple times.

I've repeated myself a couple times now that i am unsure on the ban and asked for second opinions, and it's recently (Within the last 20 minutes) come to light that both staff members i asked had not read the thread in question when they gave their opinion.

So, ban overturned, i fucked up, apologies to mcedge.
>> No. 162840 ID: 99bf32
>>162839

thank you

i retract any statements made against your character directly

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>> No. 162841 ID: 40a1fc
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>>162840
I'm only human a magical talking unicorn, we all make mistakes.

Since the threads main issue is resolved;

>Other than this instance, can i ask why you believe me to be a poor admin who has no business running the site?

You can message me on skype if you dont want to say anything publicly.

Unless this is the thing you are retracting.
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162842
Does this mean Manley is permabanned again?
>> No. 162843 ID: 99bf32
>>162842

Just for three days

>>162841

It is, kind of

Last edited at Wed, Dec 10th, 2014 18:43

>> No. 162844 ID: 82f2ba
manley told someone to go fuck their imaginary friend or something like that. considering people have been banned for saying way less abrasive things about him in the past, i have zero sympathy for him
>> No. 162845 ID: 9b6e61
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162845
So... another point for the I-don't-like-my-friends-being-banned crowd?

makes me wonder how many bans get removed when only discussed between the banned and the mod
>> No. 162846 ID: 99bf32
>>162845

Um, McEdge didn't actually break any rules.

hence fenolio saying he made a mistake and lifting the ban

Last edited at Wed, Dec 10th, 2014 21:01

>> No. 162847 ID: 9b6e61
>>162846
That, of course, answers all of my questions

Thank you
>> No. 162848 ID: 99bf32
>>162847

>So... another point for the I-don't-like-my-friends-being-banned crowd?

I was responding to this. Why are you being such a smart ass?
>> No. 162849 ID: 9b6e61
>>162848
Seems still correct to me
>Why are you being such a smart ass?
I went to buttschool
>> No. 162850 ID: 99bf32
>>162849

I don't get it?

McEdge didn't break any rules, so he should've been unbanned, which he was

What's the issue here?
>> No. 162851 ID: 9b6e61
>>162850
No issue
just me asking/wondering why he needed someone else to lift his ban
>> No. 162852 ID: 01cbb4
Mind you that I am not a mod and have never been a part of the team, so feel free to take my opinion on this with a grain of salt.

/meta/ is not the place for personal drama (ideally). When you make a thread that "so-and-so shouldn't be banned" you immediately welcome the counterargument "so-and-so should be banned" and there is no way for that conversation to go well.

There is also the issue of privacy. Oftentimes a mod will look back at prior history when deciding what to do. That is privileged information, its why they don't call you out for posting under a false name if you're not doing it to cause trouble. The moment you want to start talking about "Was the decision to ban justified?" then you need to make public all the information used to come to that decision. It is worth pointing out that in this situation you are not the banned party. If you can open up a thread asking about these two bans, then I would be fully within my rights to open up any inquiry into any ban, thus making public the posts of whomever I wanted, as long as they have been banned before. Of course you could say that you're a friend of his and I'm just some schmuck, but it isn't the moderators' job to monitor every single interpersonal relationship on this site, they'd have to judge the legitimacy of my interest on this matter based entirely on my own word.

Then there is the issue of things like ban evading. It stands to reason that if we are talking about somebody who is banned then they are indeed banned. The party most interested and the subject of the thread cannot be present for the conversation by definition. This immediately begs the question hinted at earlier, "what business is it of yours?"


Of course, there are ways around each and every one of these concerns, and I'm sure that while you read through them that you thought of several very clever ones! But. This is not a nation state. This is a website about cartoon ponies. The ways around those concerns are very complicated, and if the rules take more than a few bullet points to summarize in detail then people won't make sense of them. Its not that they are unable to make sense of them, but that they don't care enough about the legalese, and those that do will invariably want to contest it. Again, I point to this very thread as an example where you protest a rather simple and direct rule. Imagine if, instead of summarizing it in a few words, it took you as long as this post simply to define what you objected to! (Coincidentally, if you have gotten to this point in my inane ramblings then you should get up and get yourself a piece of candy. You've earned it!)


The final point is: for all those complexities and all those concerns, would such a thing do anything differently? The banned is able to reach out to the entire moderation team, the exact same team that any such thread would be appealing to. The banned could account for their actions and their own accounts would be worth much more than yours or mine. The only practical use of the thread would be to discuss the appropriateness of a rule or a moderator, except we have an entire board dedicated to only that. So with that, in my opinion (remember, I'm just some guy) the only purpose of such a thread is to make a public fiasco out of something that can and should be handled in private.



If you're reading this sentence first then I'll spare you the trouble; just think of reasons why such a thing would be against the rules.
>> No. 162853 ID: e5186f
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>>162852
>> No. 162854 ID: 089610
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162854
>Can I ask why it's not acceptable to discuss bane here?
Ha, reading errors.
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162856
>>162845
Incidently, his ban would have been removed regardless of this /meta/ thread, as i was talking about it on skype and double checking everything before i even saw the thread.
Feel free to believe / not believe it.

>>162852
Fuck yes candy is mine and you put it a lot better than i could.
>> No. 162857 ID: 9b6e61
>>162856
That's nice and all, but I still don't know how many bans are removed because the one who is actually banned brings up an argument or two in skype/email instead of someone else for him
>> No. 162858 ID: 40a1fc
>>162857
Quite a few bans are removed or reduced after a talk happens, but just as many remain as-is, it's one of those case by case things.
Not sure what you want me to say here, unless you plan to crosscheck a list of names with the users themselves to see if i'm telling the truth.
I'm not going to spend time making that kind of list, just throwing that out there.
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162860
>>162858
>Quite a few bans are removed or reduced after a talk happens, but just as many remain as-is
There you go, thanks. That's all I wanted.

>plan to crosscheck a list of names with the users themselves to see if i'm telling the truth.
Can't imagine why I'd want to do that and boy am I too lazy to even think about doing it.
No plans, no data-gatherings to use against the staff, just curious.
You're getting paranoid, are you alright?
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162861
>>162860
>Getting
I'm always paranoid.

Probably just a communication error, i figured that i'd gotten across that it wasnt just the /meta/ threads that people make which cause changes to bans, they're just the most publicized.

That also wasn't meant to be an accusation by the way, was just trying to clarify what you wanted.
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