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162932 No. 162932 ID: 179b21
Could you tell your friend that he's not allowed to use his admin powers to declare which opinions about the show are right and which ones are verboten? He literally just popped into a discussion thread last night to tell me my opinion is wrong and if I continue expressing it I'll be banned.
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>> No. 162957 ID: e7a4d5
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these deserve warnings, too. they are quite mean-spirited.
>> No. 162958 ID: 99bf32
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That's good to know. It seems that they are "cleared as not needing any deletion". I figured direct insults like that were pretty bad.
>> No. 162959 ID: 3bb89e
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I personally found /pony/ way too eager to have mods clean up people who argue about "stupid things".

I can agree with Moony here, but I can also imagine Fnolio looking at the report list and finding all of Dulset's posts there reported because of harassment or some stupid shit, forcing fenolio or any mod to move in and tell Dulset to stop. Because that's how /pony/ works.
>> No. 162961 ID: 99bf32
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That seems inherently problematic.
>> No. 162962 ID: 40a1fc
Please point to the part of my post that says "dulset your opinion is shit.", because all i can see in it is criticism about ignoring discussion, yet all three of you apparently see something different.
There is also the whole question of whether you all realise this is not an isolated incident.
Anyone who regularly has a discussion with dulset would be able to tell you how frequently he ignores or dismisses parts of a discussion just because it's based on something not explicitly stated.
Please get off the "Fen is being mean" wagon and ask yourselves when I have ever banned or warned a person for having a terrible opinion.
Two of you should know me better than that.
>> No. 162963 ID: 99bf32
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Fen, I don't think you banned him because you're mean. And the last thing I want is you to think I'm attacking you.

It's not about you being cruel, and I'm not jumping on a bandwagon. I know dealing with /pony/ can be stressful, and that Dulset's been reported constantly, but I was only arguing that his opinions and logic (even if they bother people) might not warrant a banning in the future.

Maybe I could ask for more clarification, if that's okay?

I realize you're doing your best, and I only want to be as fair as possible.

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>> No. 162964 ID: c625fa
>I was only arguing that his opinions and logic might not warrant a banning in the future.
I thought it's clear that opinions weren't the reason
>> No. 162965 ID: 99bf32

Yeah, so I want to ask for clarification when I can. I trust both Fen and Dulset, so there's got to be an answer here somewhere.

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>> No. 162966 ID: 3bb89e
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Well, not core opinions but the logic build.
I do think people tend to maybe neglect what the exact reasoning is behind the posts and might consider posts "stupid" as a result of that.

At any rate, I'd rather see this filed away as something that should just be ignored by the public, instead of handled with a ban. Just because people don't like the conclusions you are drawing from things, doesn't mean that they break site rules.
Now, for personal attacks and such, these are much dire things to be watched over by mods. They can technically also be ignored, but they're much less dependent on the logic a person wants to apply and more about universally un-courteous things.
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>The way the Mod message was phrased made it seem like it was pointed specifically at his opinions, which he should be entitled to have without intervention. More was said than what needed to be said.

you will note, i didn't say you did go after him for his opinions, but that the mod message was phrased in a way where it looked like it was.

it wasn't worth bringing up his opinions at all, that's all i meant. your actions were justified, but not clearly interpreted.
>> No. 162969 ID: 8a9769
People are arguing over people arguing over a television show for girls 6-10
>> No. 162970 ID: 45db28
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You might even call it...meta arguing.
>> No. 162972 ID: a098c9
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>I've never seen Dulset behave outright caustic.
even so, 'outright' isn't even usually the worst kind of caustic, or the more disruptive.
>I don't think you banned him because you're mean
He didn't ban him at all, actually.
>his opinions and logic
you can't seriously even call that 'logic' at all, can you? and they aren't even opinions. it's just outright contrarian nonsense for it's own sake. it's like a mutated branch of Manley methodology.
frankly I'd be all for just letting people say whatever short of seriously divergent off-topic or deliberate 'kill yourselves', and let people deal with these kinds of people in their own special imageboard way, but then we'd have bleeding hearts and manchildren crying about cyberbullying and wanting their modnannies to come change their diapers.
>> No. 162973 ID: 179b21
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>"If it's not explicitly stated i am going to ignore it or say it's wrong."
>You are trying to pretend that you dont see such obvious things as flutterhulk being an expy of The Hulk when you likely have a wealth of outside experience to draw upon in comparison to the child.
>Oh, and because it's more than warranted by this point given how often you tend to do this.
>[Official mod warning]
>Seriously, stop it. I know for a fact that you're smarter than you seem like when you get into an argument like this.

Is that enough? You are in no uncertain terms stating that my opinion, that accepting claims about canon based on things that aren't canon, is not welcome and should be ridiculed with a mod tag.

And no one sees the irony in claiming that
>"it's not rational to make assumptions about Saddlerager based solely on The Hulk. Saying that she obviously can repel lasers because the Hulk can is the same as saying that she's obviously powered by gamma radiation because the Hulk is, or that she obviously has two completely separate personae like the Hulk does."
is the logic of a ten year old.
>> No. 162974 ID: 99bf32

>frankly I'd be all for just letting people say whatever short of seriously divergent off-topic or deliberate 'kill yourselves', and let people deal with these kinds of people in their own special imageboard way, but then we'd have bleeding hearts and manchildren crying about cyberbullying and wanting their modnannies to come change their diapers.

So you want the site to be a cesspool, essentially, while I am trying to make sure it is as fair as possible, yes.

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>> No. 162975 ID: e5186f
Thank you.
>> No. 162976 ID: c625fa
What do you even want?
>> No. 162978 ID: 179b21
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>> No. 162979 ID: e5186f
You enjoy being hated, don't you?
>> No. 162980 ID: 179b21
Well, I'm just waiting for !!Cadence to appear.
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>> No. 162982 ID: 99bf32
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Even if Fen were not attacking Dulset based on his opinions and logic, it was very much worded that way. All I want as of now is clarification, and I'm fairly certain that is something Dulset wants as well.

Aside from a second opinion, as his OP states.

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>> No. 162983 ID: 6fd206
Lol how is cyberbullying even real.pasta
Fair would be someone saying something flat out retarded as dulset usually does and everyone being able to call them out for being willfuly retarded. As it is, since people can't donthat or they'll be banned, why allow someone to play the trolling retard card in the first place.
Even the very act of making this a thread - directed at a specific staff member - insteaf of directly contacting that stagf member - is for no other purpose than delicious attention and strife, and dulset, like manley, is only here because of a dumb ownership override of the staffs decisions, which has put the staffs balls in a vice.
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>As it is, since people can't donthat or they'll be banned
You kidding? That actually happens quite often. You can still see multiple threads full of it. In fact, I've never seen someone get banned for lambasting me. I mean you just did, do you think you'll be banned? You won't.
>> No. 162985 ID: 6fd206
If you consider this a lambasting (for making a meta thread designed to try to shame a staffer and get attention for yourself and have an argument) I can't imagine how you'd handle an actual conflict, online or IRL.
>> No. 162986 ID: 99bf32

The problem is that he is not stupid, a troll, or "retarded". His point is clear and understandable, however you might disagree with it, and devaluing him based on it is the opposite of "fair".
>> No. 162987 ID: 6fd206
Oh, he's not stupid. He's fairly clever. That's not the issue. He is, however, adept at acting retarded and trolling in the sense of deliberate contention for the sake of attention and argument. And he's been doing it for *over three years.* Seriously this has been going on for over three years. He's changed as a person absolutely zero. Improved his personaliy none. Learned nothing in terms of adapting to responses. And apparently developed no other hobbies but playing the role of capricious made up cartoon horse girl in three years of real life time. Its like... fuckin' go outside already. This shtick was old two and a half years ago. These aren't legitimate opinions being degraded, its halfassed devil's advocate so facepalm inducingly childish and self righteous nobody can stand it.
>> No. 162988 ID: c625fa
Give it up, anon

At the end of the day, Dulset will probably be in the 'right' and ponychan got a little shittier again.
>> No. 162989 ID: 6fd206
Alright. Only because you asked nicely.
>> No. 162990 ID: 99bf32

He is not a troll. This is not a shtick.

These are his genuine opinions, and they are clear, concise, and understandable.
>> No. 162991 ID: 8e91d7
Isn't it just a convenient way to shut down discussions he doesn't care for?
Or does he never discuss anything that can't be cited as "word of Faust" or directly pulled from episodes?

(different anon and not a /pony/ regular)
>> No. 162992 ID: 6fd206
Poe's Law works in mysterious ways. I legitimately can't tell if you seriously believe this or if you genuinely have not been here for the three solid years this has gone on.
>clear, concise, etc
I don't want to know what kind of learning disability one would have to have to perceive Dulset Tarn as clear and consise.
>> No. 162993 ID: e5186f
Why do you want clarification? Why white knight for Dulset? What does this have to do with you? Why isn't this between only Dulset and the staff?
>> No. 162994 ID: 82f2ba

psp defends everyone, just stop trying to decipher the mystery
>> No. 162995 ID: 6fd206
Got it, a dicksucker. Thanks for the heads up.
>> No. 162996 ID: 99bf32

I am not shutting down anyone or White Knighting anyone.

And you are again devaluing his points because you disagree with them. His posting habits and views have not changed? Yes, of course, because he still feels the same way he always has.

And it is common practice to "shut down" an argument, intentionally or not, by claiming the person you disagree with is a troll. Dulset is not a troll, and paying attention to his statements reveals that pretty clearly.

This isn't some play-acting, it is legitimately his opinion on things, and no matter how stupid you think that opinion is, it is not right or fair to claim he is being insincere.


It's not a mystery, and I've told you countless times that I would be more than happy to listen to your complaints if you just talked to me, as opposed to posted in threads passive aggressively like this.
>> No. 162997 ID: 99bf32

Ad hominem. Again, devaluing a person so their point is likewise devalued.

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>> No. 162998 ID: 6fd206
tl;dr you don't know Dulset and are the very definition of a white knight, with that very unique /meta/ twist of wanting to look like mr super level head nice guy mediator.

War... war never changes.
>> No. 162999 ID: 6fd206
>sjw detected
>> No. 163000 ID: 99bf32

I talk to Dulset frequently, and I would rather argue that you don't know him, or are unwilling to because you disagree with him. The fact that he is stubborn in his opinions does not make him a troll.

I am being sincere and transparent in my actions and words, and unless you have some proof that I am not, I would ask that you stop attacking my character.
>> No. 163001 ID: 6fd206
>mfw this is exactly what Dulset wanted
lmfao fug, rused again.
>> No. 163002 ID: 82f2ba

>I am not shutting down anyone or White Knighting anyone.

im sorry i must have fallen into some sort of crack in time and ended up in an alternate reality where you don't white knight everyone from manley to swiper to tossf to dulset regardless of what they did to deserve what people are giving them

dulset actively makes conversation worse around him and he does it in a very persistent manner. there was a good reason why he wasn't allowed to post on /pony/ for a long time and it wasn't the one that he continued to harp on about after the fact until he was unbanned for whatever reason
>> No. 163003 ID: 99bf32

What Dulset wants is clarification and another opinion from a member of the staff who is capable of communicating with !!Shining.

That is all he has stated and you have no reason to believe otherwise.

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>> No. 163004 ID: b70d6e
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I went on a road trip and this is what I come back to.

Dulest, you were only unbanned from /pony/ by the very barest of margins, and you have completely and utterly failed to demonstrate why that was a good idea. I'm renewing your ban from /pony/, effective immediately.
>> No. 163005 ID: 99bf32

>dulset actively makes conversation worse around him and he does it in a very persistent manner.

Elaborate? All I've seen is other individuals who disagree with his logic/opinions report him because they are infuriated with his logic/opinions.

I could argue that you " make conversation worse around you and in a very persistent manner" with your aggressive insults, as well, and cite many examples.

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>> No. 163006 ID: 6fd206
>> No. 163007 ID: 99bf32
I suppose the thread's finished, now. I have no personal vendetta against anyone here, and my only goal in this thread was to get clarification on the nature of the issue. (Which I still haven't, but will now get off-site)

Thanks to those of you who argued reasonably.

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>> No. 163008 ID: 82f2ba

If you can't see the difference between me occasionally being mean for one post then leaving and Dulset turning threads into raving shitshows then idk what to tell you. then again i guess i can understand it because manley used to do it regularly and the mods just giggled and nodded along with it
>> No. 163009 ID: 99bf32

I'd really rather not continue talking about Dulset in this thread now that the OP has been fulfilled.

I am glad that you did not try to insult me when we actually began talking, though. That was pleasant.
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Also, locking thread.
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