>>39801005
yeah, I always assumed it was traced and didn't make a big deal of it.

what is the problem?

he is drawing from the show, and sell it.
so what?

people should suspected that, specially if his "art style" look close to the real show.

he still have to trace, clean, fill colors and stuff isnt it?
so it isnt like he is taking drawing from some one deviant page and selling it with out working at all...

People are willing to buy his shit, but when they found out he'd been tracing, they got mad? If people are willing to give him money for it, they're the suckers for doing so.

>>39801005
>People are pretty upset
lol

It should've been obvious from the start, looking at that story. The company deserves being shut down, and the fans also deserve what they got.

>>39801005
lol he just did it on stream too and people are acting like this finally discovered his secret

...Who cares?

The other day i saw a painting of monalisa on sale on a store.
it wasnt the original, so it was probably an artist who stole it.

shame on him.

>>39801021
apparently alot of people, because dumb.

>>39801023
The thing is, that's a print and is credited to da vinci.

This isn't credited to the show and is being sold etc.

Is there a sauce that isn't from the Pony Onion?

That's why I only buy r34 prints.

I know they aren't traced.

>>39801036
>it isnt credited to the show
and it having giant copyrighted pony characters isnt obvious.

i mean, the paint i saw didnt had a text saying "original work made for da vinci"

is like some one draw a lion, they dont have to say "i took this from a real lion at new york central park"

Sure, as an artist you could say "oh bollox, and i thought he was good and he is just a lame person which put lines over exsiting stuff", but to hate it really hard to care and feel betray? specially when people liked his stuff for being 100 show accurate.

>>39801060
but they probably are.
just add a wahaHA! and a dick

>>39801060
Good point. But what if they traced other R34 artists huh?

>>39801061
I agree. its whatever tho, its the intent of trying to pass it off apparently. Or not, I dont know if they tried to pass it off as original, I just assume they did.

>>39801061
Just using the characters in your original artwork is ok, it falls under fair use. Using the actual artwork from the show is not.

Selling somepony else's IP is a bit iffy under fair use regardless, though.

>>39801072

basically tihs. i dont like the idea of them selling other peoples ip either, but resorting to tracing it is right out

>>39801072
I thought fair use blanket banned selling it if it wasn't a parody or educational or stuff like that.

>>39801070
well, he was streaming it, so he didnt had the urge to hide it.

In other news, Konami is a Tracer too? Frank Frazetta got rip off? Galaxy warriors?
>>39801072
for what i have seen from alot of thouse pictures, they had giant text, edited colors, and it is retrace.

It isnt like it is taking screen shots from the show and selling them like that with out doing anything.
he add a sock to ponies, or accesoreis, or lewd stuff.

it isnt as shamefull as possible, sure you could say that doesnt make him creative and stuff. or if he turned twilight face 10 degrees that would make a diference?

>>39801075
Again, it's very iffy. Generally it does, though. People just don't get caught doing it that often because they're usually small fry.

Now i know why is this a problem

Because the lastest episode hasnt been horrible hated by people, they need pony drama.
so they come out with what ever they can.

  so we turn this thread into a "rip off shame full display" artist thread?

and remember that pony rule which said "ponyfy everything"?

now we have our own pony version of Nick Simmons

I repeat: Cite an actual source.

Horse News doesn't count.

>>39801081
Thanks. I'll try to look more into it and stay informed

>>39801098
hey, how about you check the actual contents of the article, complete with links to original sources.


Saying "Horse News Doesnt Count' is like saying "Wikipedia doesnt count for research"

yeah sure you shouldnt take 100% of what you read as face value, but you can click through the resources provided on the page and find the truth yourself

in this case, you'll find out that HN is factual

aw, that is bad! i do not know who it is, but that seems like a not nice thing to do!

>>39801098
let me just pull up the wall street journal article on how a guy is tracing pictures of horses

>>39801098
http://www.wsj.com/articles/drawponies-scandal-popular-artist.html

here it is

>>39801098
it was a joke, theres no wall street journal article on how a guy is tracing pictures of horses

>>39801098
because that would be dumb

>>39801116
>implying msm is any more reliable than Horse News
Have people learned nothing?

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Eh, I can see the artists he copied from being upset about him stealing their work, but the average consumer or whatever getting upset is silly

>>39801098
It's legit m8.

>>39801098
"Oh boy! All this evidence pointing to a scandal! But wait, what's that? A blog I didn't like did a report on it? It must all be fake!"

That is literally how dumb you sound right now.

>>39801147
>scandal
this is almost as bad as the time purple tinker bought a ipod

>>39801132
I think it might be other artists that are getting upset. Also parasprites.
At least I hope so.

>>39801149
Pony drama is always lame. Sometimes it manages to be funny though.

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lol people actually thought he was drawing all that shit himself? They're mad because they realize how easily they were fooled?

>>39801154
Prolly.

I don't know anything about the guy, but that was super easy to tell it wasn't his own lines.

This is also why traditional art is great. No one can complain that I traced my stuff.

>>39801172
but i think they can

>>39801185
The very nature of my art style is proof that I don't trace.

>>39801188
but you can still rip off.
and you would be disqualify as an artist for doing it. almost to the same level of tracing

>>39801005
This shit is fucking funny.

The ride never ends ladies and gents.

>>39801172
fun fact: tracing existed before digital media

>>39801292
Wouldn't it be funny if the oldest known cave paintings were actually copied from the original authors?

>>39801172
no one would believe that you traced your stuff*

>>39801263

fuckin hell

>>39801324

>>39801172
Your art is still shit.

>>39801288
but how could there be so much "respect" and "pasion" from an artist which litteraly look like he trace from the show, or at least it doesnt add much to already existing pictures.

There is alot of people on the interent which "Vectors" pony pictures, they are a shameful display?

>>39801330
i dont remember them using socks. so that pretty much mean there is something more on what he does.

so what the fuck is wrong iwth people, sure you dont have to think he is good artist, but... he give you fucking show acurate vectors which you are not going to do and print them on tshirts, you are not going to do that either people.

I actually feel kind of bad for him; I mean, if people are stupid enough to buy traced drawings, and hasbro isn't going to give out bronies the merch they want....

I really don't feel that enraged. Sure, he's essentially selling pirate merc. But given that I pirate music, I don't feel too enraged.

>Why are people upset.
Because drawing show-accurate ponies requires serious effort, both in actual drawing ability in addition to learning a specific style to emulate.
Tracing on the other hand, is something an 8 year old can do, and is only an investment of time to produce results.
The guy does add his own elements to the drawings, but when a serious part of the drawings is not your own work, it gets a bit hard to take the person seriously as an artist.
Not to mention the fact that you've been passing it all off as your own work this whole time.

There's also the slightly troubling case of him using show asset's for profit, since I'm pretty sure directly tracing things like he's done is pretty much the same thing as a digital copy as far as the law is concerned.
Not sure though.

>>39801424
And that is a limitation for the artist if he even cared.
but if you look at what he does and you like it, then there shouldnt be a problem.

and for the assets for profits,
it is the same as some body draws really acurate ponies, you are ripping off copyrighted material for profit.

he sells bootleg merch, sure, but it was peoples fault for buying it.
but im not going keep sounding like im going to defend him, because i dont care.

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>>39801314
Well, yes. That. Because I don't. My style is so obviously not the same as the show's style. Granted, similarities do exist, but I tend to add more detail to things like wings and fuzzier spots on a pony. Also, I don't put the gradient in the eyes.

>>39801448
but how we know you dont trace other artist stuff?
it doesnt need to be the show.

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>>39801453
Again, it all comes down to the style and method of drawing.

I have in the past traced stuff (humaniod forms; I've never been able to get their proportions correct), but that was always more of a wireframe to kind of lay down where the limbs bent, how big arms and legs were, thickness and all that.

I have my own style and stick to it when drawing ponies, although guides are used and completely reasonable.

>>39801459
but how can i know that?

maybe you killed the real artist and burried the body.

>>39801461
Now you're being stupid man...

>>39801466
oh yea?

but what if some one killed you and traced your art?
then you wouldnt say it is stupid, but a tragedy

>>39801467

>>39801466
>Now

>>39801480
I was being polite...

>>39801467

Okay, that was funny right there.

>>39801484
The curse of being Canadian.

>>39801480
Oh men

>>39801504

>>39801488

Hmmm

Wellll
I can sort of see this coming with commissions and all that. But tracing and puting traces into comics and such. Eh.

>>39801005
Uh... That's kind of how most vector artists do it and what we recommend for people after show-accurate vectors. It's still effort and the main art bit for Drawponies is the edits and dialogue and such that turn them into a comic. It's not like he stole that, right?

There's no problem here.

Honestly, I'm conflicted. On one hand, straight tracing kind of seems a cheap way to create art. On the other, these are really obviously traced, and can't say I mind it much since I can acknowledge that. If I were to buy his stuff, I would buy it because the ponies look just like how they are in the show. The problem is between the artist and Hasbro, and it's about copyrights, in my opinion.
Well, if people actually got themselves into false expectations about how he creates his art and were disappointed, I'm not sure how much fault the artist is at, unless he straight out told people lies about how he creates his pieces. But I doubt that is true, since he was hosting an online stream, showing his progress to people.

Edit: I think I got over my mental conflict while writing this, hah.

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>>39801797
>straight tracing kind of seems a cheap way to create art
Producing high-quality vectors takes time and effort: It's not like tracing with a pencil, you need to have an understanding of the difference between vector art and pixel art, and it's actually at least as time consuming as doing all-original vectors.

>>39801798
Yeah. I've heard it takes what, at least an hour or two to create a simple vector? I can acknowledge his effort, that's why you know, the rest of my entire post was me realizing I'm okay with what he was doing!

Unless he was lying about stuff. Then it's bad.

What surprises me the most about this case is that people had to see him in an online stream to tell he is tracing. It's quite obvious, but it's still at some level his work and effort, it's only that tracing requires a different level of skill than original style art. More time, less uniqueness.

>>39801797
>>39801798
It's also worth noting that some people think it's cheap to draw existing characters (i.e. fanart) rather than being original.

Strictly speaking, the law supports this, but copyright legislation is such a mess that most companies don't bother enforcing it unless (a) they're forced to acknowledge something's existence or (b) somepony's making a lot of money off it.

>>39801804
>Yeah. I've heard it takes what, at least an hour or two to create a simple vector?
With FIM you can start to collect body parts to reuse, but basically yes.

>I can acknowledge his effort, that's why you know, the rest of my entire post was me realizing I'm okay with what he was doing!
Woo!

>Unless he was lying about stuff. Then it's bad.
>What surprises me the most about this case is that people had to see him in an online stream to tell he is tracing. It's quite obvious, but it's still at some level his work and effort, it's only that tracing requires a different level of skill than original style art. More time, less uniqueness.
I think it was very obvious. Kind of suspect that Horse News is just paraspriting here, but it might be that enough people will take it seriously that Drawponies will actually be C&Ded, which sucks! Some of his stuff was funny. Maybe he can continue with a different art style...

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>>39801806
Yeah. I can understand the law's position too, but it's really too difficult for a large company to go after every single infringement. I hear they end up going after people that start getting kinda well known and they can't not tell them to stop anymore. I also heard they technically HAVE to enforce their copyright or else they might lose it. I don't know the details.

>>39801814
I guess vector is best if you create modifiable bits and snippets so you can create different things in the future. A simple vector is not as much of an art itself perhaps, but more of a tool to create art through their combinations and composition. A clean vector of a character is nice to look at, but it's boring. Use it to make a fancy wallpaper however, and things are different.

>>39801030

...Meh, sounds like people getting upset over the fact that somepony planted a cucumber in a cucumber patch.

>>39801872
maybe they wanted the cucumber to play with, if you know what i mean.

>>39801901

...Now i feel like making jokes about that in turn, but if i start about people getting sand in their wahaHA!s i doubt any non-hollander would get it.

>tracing

That's breaking the copyright as far as a I know.
Also it is a very lazy way to produce art work.

It can be useful for studies of course.

>>39801994
Technically, selling the likeness of anything derived from MLP:FIM is pushing the boundaries of fair use. Fortunately, Hasbro does offer tentative support for fan labor, provided it does not step on their bottom line TOO badly.

>>39802005
Yes. I agree.

Of course if you basically sell their assets that is trying their patience big time.

>>39802007
it isnt selling plain screenshots from the show

rofl

guess that means people will get busted for vectoring soon enough

<tfw this fandom's autism level will never drop to a normal level

>>39802005
If I take a screenshot from the show, crop the BG, and add some adequately drawn features atop it for myself, that's just silly fan art and covered.
If I take a screenshot from the show, crop the BG, and add some adequately drawn features atop it for profit, that's still silly fan art but no longer covered because it stops being homage once the money comes in for it and becomes not cool.

>>39801790
>>39801797
See that's kind of what I'm looking for here.
It matters little if he traces stuff, if he never claimed otherwise.

>>39802009
It's a bit deeper.
You basically use the linework.

Like the infamous cartoonist Andrew Dobson had some trouble by including somebody else's art in their own work. He basically traced over a photo of the Big Ben which wasn't good legally.

But I admit it. I am ignorant in legal matters.
I still don't like tracing things and saying it's your own art. It feels cheap.

>>39802012
I doubt most people insist on selling it on cons.

>>39801005
Wait... so people didn't know?
Okey

>>39802009
It kind of is...

>>39802017
Though to be fair, I read into the horsenews comments and apparently he also did things like, using a background somebody else did, or was done as part of another image, and recycled it for another image without permission and charged the commissioner for background.

If that's true, THAT is not acceptable.

>>39802024

...Now that's a good start on something actually shady.

>>39801005

i don't care - everypony should be able to sell anything they want

we will never be able to ascend if we keep extending ancient laws that actually did exist for a reason (ex: stealing a car deprives someponyelse from something) into spaces where those laws exist purely on mutually-created fantasy (and bad ones at that), and therefore doomed to fail (copying and pasting something isn't depriving anypony of anything, except within the realm of the mutually-created fantasy-world where ideas put to paper are holy artifacts which can only be touched by those with the biggest guns and smartest lawyers

>>39802028
You invest tons of money into a brand, you expect to use it after all.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

>>39802032

Yes there is.
It's called stealing without getting caught.

And let me tell you stolen food tastes the best.

>>39802027
Yeah. Not sure if they added the proofstuffs to the main article, I just saw the links browsing through the shitton of comments.

>>39802034
>stolen food tastes the best.
Remind me to never treat you to lunch ever.

>>39802034
But society would collapse if everybody did that, so getting caught means you do hard time in the hopes it will discourage the rest of the evolved monkeys from flinging shit at their slightest whim.

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>>39802032

like i was saying - a poorly-done mutually-created fantasy-world where free lunches don't exist: technology, computers, internet has given everypony a free lunch, but instead of taking it, they apply ancient laws to it (the fantasy), until the new reality becomes the same as the old reality, only much worse, because the new format (internet, computers) is much more unnatural, meaning ponies essentially become stupider as a result of applying ancient laws to new technology, resulting in the inevitable decline of society...

i guess that means russia should be pissed at poland for making AK clones that look just like russian AK's

jk, the soviets helped make those when poland was a satellite-state

>>39802034
It refers to an old practice where people got "free food" that was salty and had to buy drinks to actually go on with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_lunch

They had free to eat as opposed to free to play in the early 20th century.

>>39802043
Woah.

>>39802041

Eh, tragedy of the commons.
(and in case ya wonder what that means in this situation: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedie_van_de_meent)

>>39802036

Actually buying me lunch might just save you trouble.

>>39802047

I know, "Free*".

>>39802050

  >>39802047

yes i do have that effect on ponies

>>39802060
Nice to meet you.

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2015/04/on-drawponies-tracing-scandal-and-our.html

http://www.horse-news.net/2015/04/drawponies-scandal-day-2-damage-report.html

>>39802310
>http://www.horse-news.net/2015/04/drawponies-scandal-day-2-damage-report.html
>[he] was caught tracing show screencaps, during a livestream by his own Fans
And he would have gotten away with it too, if not for the people he filmed himself doing it for.

Again, the lack of recognition that arranging them into comics was the main arty bit. And on that Berry Punch one, he's only traced the ear, snout, and half an eye...

>>39802024
Yeah, THAT would be bad.

>using tumblr gifs in your article

>>39802050
Hey, I had the tragedy of the commons come up in one of my college classes. It's about how multiple parties who share a common land will eventually end up depleting it to their mutual dissatisfaction.

Enjoying stealing a free lunch "because you didn't get caught" is a tad off base because, in the tragedy of the commons, you have permission to use the land, it's not considered stealing because you are developing that land with other parties. The problem is specifically that there's no rule stopping those parties from overdeveloping that land. There's definitely a rule against you stealing lunch.

>Drawponies scandal intensifies because turns out Drawponies are just sensitive bronies who didn't know WTF they ere doing.
Anypony surprised?

Last edited at Mon, Apr 20th, 2015 15:16

Apology issued:
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2015/04/drawponies-responds-to-tracing-criticism.html#idc-cover
But it's obvious from the comments some people (especially one who's been posting constantly in the threads about it over there) won't be happy until his head is put on a pike and displayed at Bronycon.