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39803567 No. 39803567
All he want's is forgiveness. Bet you did nazi see that coming.

But seriously- Do you forgive him?

Last edited at Tue, Apr 21st, 2015 11:27

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>> No. 39804220
>>39804213
He hasn't done anything to you has he? If he has then that's an issue. I highly doubt him being admin has anything to do with people not liking socialism
>> No. 39804221
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39804221
Posters! Comrades!
The borg scum known as Fen has oppressed you for far too long! The postertariat must rise up and free themselves from admin brutality! What is his brutality you may ask? Wake up people! His calm and collected discussion of Nazism must be destroyed! Sympathizers of the fascist cause must be cast out from any public forum at the merest hint of nazi talk.

Do we wish to become stormfront?

Yes my fellow posters. It is vital and imperative that certain viewpoints must be outlawed upon this site regardless of the manner in which those views are presented or argued! Do you want a nazi admin? I don't want a nazi admin. Simply being a nazi is crime enough to be booted from the halls of power.

RISE UP POSTERS!
UNITED THE POSTERTARIAT SHALL DESTROY AND MAKE UNPERSON THE SCUM KNOWN AS FEN!
>> No. 39804223
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could somepony tell me when the next demagogue-night is?
>> No. 39804224
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>>39804175
>yet nobody is not ok with this
I'm sure there are a few.

>>39804177
>

>>39804204
You could say many of the same things about Hitler.
>> No. 39804231
>>39804205
Well I mean i'm sure if there was enough of an uproar fen would step down, but then again that's probably not going to happen because nobody gives a shit for some reason.
>>39804209
It's not the fact that you disagree with this story, I don't personally think this guy should be punished either. It's that you've consistently argued in favor of nazi sympathism for a long time now. Everytime the nazi's come up you either post some nazi image (usually aryanne), or argue along the lines of the fact some fact about nazis and ww2 is inaccurate and that they were actually really progressive and loving and shit or something like that. And this happens all the time. You make it an effort to show that you think nazi's aren't as bad as they seem. And also there's this
>>39804214
You don't actually make any good points, you just say wrong things and then say "I'M JUST QUESTIONING GUYS!". Like this
>>39804155
>The ones who seemed to benefit the most from this treaty?
>Jewish.
>The people who instigated strikes in key military industry, which was reportedly the main reason that the germans lost the battle in the west?
>Jewish.
>The people that strictly opposed german nationalism?
>Jewish.
How am I supposed to interpret this in any other way other than you're antisemitic? You're basically saying it's all the jews fault. At this point you're not just denying the nazi's were bad, you're saying that the jews were the problem. That's not just "questioning", that's litreally antisemitism, and I sure as hell don't feel comfortable with a site admin who has these beliefs.
>> No. 39804232
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>>39804204
It may just be western propaganda, but from what I've heard, Stalin was still kinda deranged. Whether it's his hyper paranoia, mass execution, or erasing history to make it seem like he singlehandedly led the Russian revolution, he's still kinda out there. I suppose I can't criticize too much though since I have my own dictator that I adore. (pic related)

>>39804221
>>39804213
lol. Commies vs. Nazis round two.
>> No. 39804234
>>39804231

...Eh, he's resillient and honestly i'd rather have a nazi mod that knows how to mod properly than a non nazi mod that abuses his powers and completely fucks up everything.
He's not actually harming anything as is anyway.
>> No. 39804235
>>39804234
>he's not harming anypony he just hates jews
if I was a jewish poster I would sure as hell not post on this site
>> No. 39804236
>>39804231
>you don't actually make any good points
;_;

>sees its a misquote
whew
>> No. 39804239
>>39804235

I'm a jewish poster though.
>> No. 39804241
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39804241
>>39804220
Given the background politics of Ponychan, he could very well be influencing others to be useful idiots, have sockpuppet accounts to promote virulent anticommunism, ect.

It's happened before and it can easily happen again.

>>39804224
Hitler relied purely on stolen assets to fuel his economy, and when he ran out he had to declare war on other nations to get more resources. It was bound to die quickly. Plus, he subscribed to retarded ideas of class cooperation, race "science", belief in "German Physik", and other such things. So hardly. One built his country up, the other lit it ablaze and set it plummeting.

>>39804232
Stalin's main problem was his ridiculous obsession with pragmatism and realism, to the point where anything less depressing was regarded as "stupid idealistic utopia left communism", and other such buzzwords. It got to the point where he ended up totally misusing Marxist dialectics.

But he still wasn't nearly as bad as western history makes him out to be.
>> No. 39804242
>>39804236
I was quoting you saying he's not making good points
i'm on your side friend
>>39804239
you're also kind of devoid of any kind of emotion so I'm not sure you're the best person to use as an example but ok fair enough. I'm sure that most other jewish posters wouldn't like this though.
>> No. 39804243
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Why not?

>>39804241
>Hitler relied purely on stolen assets to fuel his economy, and when he ran out he had to declare war on other nations to get more resources
This is the part where I make a joke about Stalin, right?
>> No. 39804246
>>39804243
>admin literally hates jews
gee I wonder why
>> No. 39804247
>>39804242

Hmm, fair point.
Still trying to work on that... and i could see why it'd go wrong for some.
I'm really rather more fond of people more resillient to conspiracy-level nonsense, so in that sense it might even be a useful test to filter out people that i'm not interested in anyway.
Though his stuff's a bit more than just that, but even there it's a good filter by requiring people to react to him in a way that will show their colors a bit to me.

But yeah, fair enough.

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>> No. 39804248
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39804248
Switching to Mussolini pictures because why not.

>>39804246
One of them, sure.

And what, do you think that he'd "persecute" Jewish members of the site or that by using the site, you're supporting him, somehow?

The only person who has ever made, or ever will make money from Ponychan is Orange.
>> No. 39804253
>>39804248
No, it's more a principle thing than anything else. Also I have no idea if he could ban somepony for being jewish. maybe he would, how am I supposed to know he wouldn't?
>> No. 39804256
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>>39804253
Again, not really getting the principles here. Fen doesn't actually benefit from running the site. He babysits it, he doesn't own it.
>> No. 39804257
>>39804248

Best modern Italian dictator.

>>39804253

Eh, he keeps those who defend against it a bit sharper, by asking these questions he makes people think why they believe the things they believe.
I think that's a good thing.

Just acting on principle doesn't seem necessary or even wise here.
>> No. 39804258
>>39804256
Or rather, WE do.
>> No. 39804261
>>39804256
It's not about supporting, it's about generally not wanting to be on a site that's run by a nazi. I don't understand how this isn't obvious.
>> No. 39804265
>>39804243
Mewtini has some kind of hard on for stalin. Like. There is a lot of western propaganda when discussing stalin but "everything ever said about stalin that was negative is a lie, stalindidnothingwrong, he should have gone harder on the kulaks" is kinda ridiculous. I mean, I'm a commie and I find it pretty over the top.
>> No. 39804268
>>39804209
Yes, a large part of the german people hated the jews. That's the reason they passed laws making the jews into second-class citizens, not because the jews posed a legitimate threat. They blamed the jews because they were racist.

>>39804213
I don't like communism beacuse communist regimes have had a very creepy habit of purging opposition and brutally crush the slightest hint of dissent. Not because Fen has uncomfortable beliefs about Nazis.
>> No. 39804269
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>>39804204
>Right, because Stalin totes exiled 100 million gorillion to death camps,

naw, he just starved them to death
>> No. 39804270
>>39804246
It was all Zamoonda's fault. He pretty much proved the nazi party right.
>> No. 39804274
>>39804270

What, by being the jewish equivalent of a nazi? x)
>> No. 39804275
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39804275
>>39804257
He tried to do what modern welfare states do (appease the socialists so they don't radicalize, become communist and overthrow the government), just with more weird oppressive groupthink and military adventurism.

>>39804261
Probably because as the admin of the site, I don't feel like it's "run" by anypony. His identity isn't any larger a part of the site's identity than that of other frequent posters. Less than some.
>> No. 39804277
>>39804274
My grandfather is so incredibly pro-Israel that he's been known as the Jewish Nazi.
>> No. 39804279
>>39804275
I mean, he's gonna be the lead community admin in a few days solely isn't he?
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>>39804279
>in a few days
"Maybe"

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>> No. 39804283
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39804283
i dont even think fen is a nazi sympathizer

he's just interested in the history is all

i dont see anything wrong with that
>> No. 39804285
>>39804280
I've been saying a few days for the last months.

It never is gonna happen
>> No. 39804288
>>39804283
I don't think he is either, but that may just be because I like him and don't want to think of him that way. It seems bad when looking at it objectively though.

Either way, he's making terrible arguments for somepony who is interested in history tbh
>> No. 39804289
>>39804275
He literally is in charge of how the site is run and who gets banned and what not, I don't see how that's not running it.
>> No. 39804290
>>39804275

Also silly technological experiments and way too optimistic application of technological advancement.

Basically the embodiment of wishful thinking in that sense.

But yeah he had some pretty good ideas too, in theory anyway. x)

>>39804277

My forebears literally started the zionist movement... though there's also another...eh... branch that started marxism, so i guess that sorta counters out. x)

Also one side of my family was pretty antisemitic before they met my father, but he fits right in with the rest of the dərps so that's past tense now, even o'l grandpa who's a curious sorts is now sorta tolerant of our existence and heck he even respects us.
>> No. 39804296
>>39804288
eh, not every admin perfect i guess
>> No. 39804304
>>39804289
there are still more people on the staff besides just him. don't think he's above reproach.
>> No. 39804311
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>>39804275
As well as using violence and thuggery to come to power, not to mention siding with Hitler and agreeing to implement some of his anti-semitic laws.
>> No. 39804314
>>39804304
To me its something to question at least tho

I don't want bluelizardposter to leave and think that would be extreme, but like its just a thing that should be imo questioned.
>> No. 39804322
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>>39804213
Unless i have some sort of unconscious resonance effect on the site, i dont think my views on the nazi's have really effected things much.

>>39804214
'kay

The time it takes a furnace to burn a single body.
The amount of furnaces in Auschwitz
The amount of reported deaths in Auschwitz.

These three things add up to the fact that it is impossible for the numbers given by mainstream media to be correct, as bodies would still have been being burnt up to 75 years later just from that one camp.

I'm attempting to find the exact numbers now but it's getting late so i might just say fuck it, do i have you on skype?

>>39804216
Again, just repeating what i know of how germans felt at the time.

>>39804221
Dont make me post exclusively with admintag.

>>39804231
The nazi's are always portrayed as cartoonishly evil to a fault, and i hate that on a fundamental level.
I'm not denying that bad things happened or that nazi's didnt do bad things.
All i deny is the dehumanisation of them and the german people.
They were people just like you and i, and to see their names, culture and country driven into the mud time and time again just sickens me.
I'm not good at arguing, i dont remember facts or figures all too well, only how they make me feel.
And i feel that the way the world looks at a black and white / good vs evil WW2 is wrong.
I just want history to be correct, without it being distorted too much or revised because of an agenda.

Once again, i've said that i dont personally believe all that.

>>39804235
Why? Regardless of anything else, where have my views impacted the site in any way?

>>39804241
Personally, i'm the one that's too easily influenced.

>>39804246
I dont though.
Like the other anon mentioned, Zamoonda is literally jewish and somepony a majority of this site hates for good reason, but i dont hate him.
Not to get into the whole "I have a black friend so i cant be racist" argument.

>>39804258
That.
Not once in my entire track record as mod or admin have i been the single voice of authority, even the time !!lyra (mithent) had to bail on us for personal reasons and i became admin because nobody else would actually do it had orange coming back almost simultaneously.

>>39804279
Macil will have equal if not more authority than me, due to his status as server admin.
If i ever fuck up, talk to him and he can boot me.

>>39804288
>>39804283
Like i said, i'm not good at arguing.
My interests in history are more how people thought and felt at the time, rather than the technical bits.

>>39804314
If it really bothers people that much i could always just keep my mouth shut on these topics, i wouldn't like it but i dont exactly like upsetting people either.
>> No. 39804325
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39804325
>>39804314
From what I've seen, he looks like more of an apologist than a supporter. It seems like overreaction to me to leave because of differing political or historical views. It's not like he said, "I hate Jews" or anything. But then again, I'm not Jewish, so maybe I can't really understand that perspective.
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39804333
>>39804289

You could say that, but ultimately, Literally Hitler doesn't run the site. He's still subject to the wills of the masses. He's there to make decisions when the site is seemingly split on an issue, not to dictate the absolute direction of content. And he's far from totalitarian in his decisions. He spends a great deal of time collecting thoughts and opinions before banging down the hammer.

Besides that, where'd all this stuff about being a nazi sympathizer come from anyway? Sure, he's defending some of their actions, but unless I missed something, he's not literally supporting nazis.
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>>39804322
same deal when people would think i am a communist

i think some communist ideals are good. wont lie.

but im no communist.

in fact i honestly advocate for freedom
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>>39804322
>The nazi's are always portrayed as cartoonishly evil to a fault, and i hate that on a fundamental level. I'm not denying that bad things happened or that nazi's didnt do bad things. All i deny is the dehumanisation of them and the german people. They were people just like you and i, and to see their names, culture and country driven into the mud time and time again just sickens me. I'm not good at arguing, i dont remember facts or figures all too well, only how they make me feel. And i feel that the way the world looks at a black and white / good vs evil WW2 is wrong. I just want history to be correct, without it being distorted too much or revised because of an agenda.

And this. All of this here. Yes.

>If it really bothers people that much i could always just keep my mouth shut on these topics, i wouldn't like it but i dont exactly like upsetting people either.

Everypony should be entitled to a voice.

>>39804241
>have sockpuppet accounts to promote virulent anticommunism

Also, what the hay? I realize I wasn't paying attention to the thread all day, but this is getting a little ridiculous.
>> No. 39804348
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>>39804322
>The nazi's are always portrayed as cartoonishly evil to a fault, and i hate that on a fundamental level.
Though, you gotta admit, with the goosestepping, and the yelling, and the uniforms, and the crazy propaganda, they did act kind of cartoonish. I don't know that it's dehumanizing to make fun of something, which in hindsight really does look quite silly.

>>39804336
Of course you support FREEEEDOM! You wouldn't be a real American if you didn't.
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>>39804348
damn fucking right!!
>> No. 39804354
>>39804348
>>39804345
>>39804322

There's trying to make sure they're not being dehumanised (of which i greatly approve, otherwise we can't learn from them sufficiently if we don't realise this could happen elsewhere) and there's taking it a few steps further, such as implying that some discomforts with the jews would be sufficient to justify the things they did.

It may have been part of the reason why it came to be, sure, but that doesn't make it right.

And to me at least not dehumanising means understanding, rather than justifying.

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39804376
>>39804354

No one's saying that it's right. No one's saying "Yeah, that was a good idea, let's kill all the jews again."
>> No. 39804377
>>39804283
I honestly can't quite tell what his motives and personal beliefs are and that creeps me out a bit.

But that's just what I think, and he shouldn't have to shut up about his views on topics because I find them uncomfortable. That'd be unreasonable. I can always just hide the thread.

Last edited at Tue, Apr 21st, 2015 18:18

>> No. 39804380
>>39804376

Nor did i imply that, but Fen did bring out various things in such a manner, amongst which the list of reasons why the jews were disliked so much.

While it's likely just clumsiness on his part this too is the reason he received some backlash.
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