>>36788944
>ditzy doo

is honestly just as "offensive" as Dərpy, if not more, seeing as "ditz" literally means "dumb blonde woman" and nothing else.

Plus I really don't want that whole "ditzy doo vs dərpy" crap starting back up again.

>Bright Eyes

People claimed that there was a G1 pony that looked like Dərpy named "bright eyes", yet I have not been able to find any "bright eyes" that looks anything like her.

I really don't think Hasbro is going to risk naming her within the show. They've been carefully tiptoeing around naming her on merchandise, so...yeah.

>>36788944
DITZY DOO is the worst option because the anti dərpy army which caused all this friking problem was like "call it ditzy doo no fucking dərpy"

Specially because ditzy just mean retarded blond chick, but calling her dərpy is wrong.

Just go by muffin so at least they don't win in that department after messing everything up.

>>36788947
Yeah, that's what I was referring to. The sect of bronies that vehemently insisted her name was "ditzy doo", even when she was explicitly named in the show. (they were making up BS excuses like "oh, Dərpy is just her nickname! HER REAL NAME IS DITZY DOO!!!" and such.)

It's just a mindboggling level of stupidity. From claiming that "ditz" is somehow less offensive than "dərp", to rabidly denying canon in favor of their headcanon, it's just ...ugh.

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>>36788946
How about you just name her whatever you fucking want and tell all those bullshit Social Justice Warriors to kiss the barrel of a shotgun if they bitch about it?

Next pissbaby that cries about Ableism will get his house set on fire, so that he may have a real problem to deal with in his life.

>>36788951
I'm just saying I highly doubt Hasbro will name Dərpy in the show, judging by how they've been purposefully avoiding naming her in merchandise.

>Next pissbaby that cries about Ableism

The SJWs don't give a shit about ableism, they were just buttmad that a female character was portrayed badly, and latched onto "ableism" because it sounded better.

>>36788957
Ableism, sexism, whatever the fuck those pondscum try to use to justify their weakness.

>>36788957
I've seen people criticize seeing words like "insane", "crazy", and "mad" (of the insane variety) being used as an insult and calling it ableism because of how people use them to associate qualities like being evil and dangerous with the mentally ill. And these were in instances where it didn't involve a female character or even a character specifically but more of an event.

So yes, some SJW do actually care about ableism.

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>>36788957
>The SJWs don't give a shit about ableism, they were just buttmad that a female character was portrayed badly, and latched onto "ableism" because it sounded better.
What? That doesn't make any sense. There hasn't been an SJW response to any female antagonist, or any of the mane 6 doing something bad.

inb4 "but SJWs never make sense". They're noting if not predictable, and that doesn't fit the pattern.

>>36788959
>>36788961
I. DON'T. CARE. I want for them all to shut the fuck up and fuck off the face of the Earth and stop ruining good things with their weakness. We don't need them, Humanity doesn't need more wimps.

Apparently Dərpygate far overshadows the impact of this episode.

For an Applejack episode, it sure makes Applejack come off as a remarkable flake. "Oh no, I didn't win any prizes when I said I would! Reckon I owe a lot of ponies some money because of that stuff I said, so I'll run away from home and join this brothel cherry farm until I earn it. Oh hey, my friends came all the way out here to bring me back, better mislead them and lead them on a chase."

>>36788963
Y'now, for a pony like Applejack who's constantly being accused of being boring, doing away with her flaws would be a stupid move.

Applejack feels that everypony relies on her, she takes this burden far too seriously, to both her own and her family's detriment, that's a good flaw to have, that makes her a much more compelling and interesting character. What she did wasn't right, but I still sympathized with her because of the weight that she carried on her shoulders, and how important she considers not letting everypony down.

I wish she was more like this more often, she'd probably be my favorite pony if her personality was like this. Save for Celestia of course.

>>36788963
>Apparently Dərpygate far overshadows the impact of this episode.
Yup, most of us probably knew that would happen as soon as the thread was posted.

>>36788963
There isnt some political comic about capitalism and stuff about this episode??

>>36788959
>So yes, some SJW do actually care about ableism.
Apparently not in this case though, because nobody seemed to care about Snails, yet they lost their shit at Dərpy. Nobody cried "ABLEISM!!" when Snails spoke in a slow, slurred voice and acted "slow", yet Tumblr flew into a massive shitstorm when Dərpy did.

Not hard to see the real motivations behind their shitstorming.

>>36788965
While I agree that Applejack needs some flaws, this episode didn't really do a very good job of portraying her as flawed.

The whole "feeling like people rely on her" thing was kinda overshadowed by her uncharacteristically lying out her ass the entire episode. If the viewer was at least slightly clued in to the real reason why she was lying, it wouldn't have felt as awkward.

>>36788971
>The whole "feeling like people rely on her" thing was kinda overshadowed by her uncharacteristically lying out her ass the entire episode.
Ah-pa-pah, she never lied, just omitted the truth. Saying that Hitler was a good man is a lie, saying that Hitler housed many refugees is omitting the truth.

>If the viewer was at least slightly clued in to the real reason why she was lying, it wouldn't have felt as awkward.
You're fucking with me, right? I saw it coming from a mile away. Applejack promised to come back with the money and a smile on her face to help Ponyville, and all of sudden she decides not to return and doesn't tell why, and Applejack is known for being prideful and stubborn, GEE, I WONDER WHY SHE DIDN'T COME BACK?

Thing is, from her point of view, coming back without the money that she promised would have been more dishonest than any other course of action. I don't know about you, but I think it fit in perfectly with her character.

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>>36788971
>If the viewer was at least slightly clued in to the real reason why she was lying, it wouldn't have felt as awkward.
LOOOOOL.
"Will send money soon."
Friggin Party of One is more ambiguous than this episode.

>>36788976
but at least before they found applejack they make you wonder... or at least i wasnt 100% sure

>>36788972
>>36788976
I didn't say it wasn't predictable.

I meant from a writing standpoint. All we see is Applejack lying and lying and lying and lying some more, with the reason completely obscured until the end of the episode.

>>36788979
Again, she didn't lie.

And the fuck do you want them to do? Outright state why she's not coming back? For fuck sake man, let the writers have some fucking respect for the intelligence of their audience!

>>36788980
>Again, she didn't lie.

Yes she did? Unless you honestly believe that she left because she "just needed a change of pace from apples to cherries" or however she worded it.

>And the fuck do you want them to do? Outright state why she's not coming back?
Nice hyperbole...?

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>>36788981
she just avoided saying the true....

and at least she didnt said lies to steal from others while raping kids.

she was doing it to bring money home to fill up others people expectations

>>36788980
>>36788982
I'm sorry guys, but "I'll tell you in the morning," and then running off so you're not there in the morning is still pretty much a lie, and any kids who tried that one on their parents probably found themselves with a hand-shaped bruise on their posterior.

Nice try to explain it away with Applejack telling Pinkie Pie how that lie was supposed to not be a lie, but it still was, I think the writer must have written themselves in the corner there.

I will, at least, agree that her reason for not wanting to return to Ponyville was relatively admirable. She promised she would bring home money to help support the town (which, of course, was just foolish pride) and when she did not win, she opted to earn the money through prostitution hard work on Cherry Jubilee's farm. That's about what I'd expect from the bearer of the Element of Honesty: trying not to break her word was reason enough to put herself through all this.

However, there was not a heck of a lot of reason for her to give the rest of the mane six the cold shoulder about it. She just pulled the whole, "I'm a stubborn cowpoke" act to introduce an easy conflict. Realistically, that conflict wouldn't be there, she had already more than redeemed herself by choosing to working off a debt that was simply a promise to DONATE FREE MONEY if she won. The fact she was actually working to make that money some other way was going above and beyond what a reasonable person pony should expect to do. So, other than the fact she promised to win the events that she didn't (which an honest pony should fess up to immediately), she didn't do anything wrong, so there was no conflict here other than what her own stubbornness to not come clean introduced.

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>>36788983
Yes, everything in the episode was because of her fault, and that's why I think this is Applejack at her best. She has flaws, not enough to make her unlikeable or unsympathetic, but real, tangible flaws that had an effect on the episode that WEREN'T "sometimes she doubts herself).

It's MILES above other episodes where she's incredibly boring because she has no real character traits other than "Honest".

Y'now, I like it better when the Mane Six DON'T live up to their Elements. Sometimes you feel the need to lie even for reasons that aren't the best, and you end up giving in to those urges, but being a good person isn't about never doing bad things, nobody's perfect, you just need to try.

Bottom line: Can we have Applejack more like this? Somepony who takes the fact that ponies find her dependable way too seriously at times, and ends up pushing herself so hard that she ends up hurting ponies around her just as much as herself? I like this Applejack.


Anyway, you may now point out why I'm a dumbshit who doesn't know dick.

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>>36788979
From a writing standpoint, this scene...

Cherry Jubilee: I have never seen a pony win so many ribbons [specifically not saying blue ribbons] in all my life.
Applejack: Aw shucks, you don't have to go into all that [shut up before you happen to mention the fact that none were blue].

...was also pretty clear foreshadowing.

>>36788985
foreshadowing, but with the intention of missleading

>>36788983
in the scene she said "after breakfast" and she didnt ate breakfast
thats what stoped her from ragemod.

and like i said, at the end she wasnt doing it to steal money from others and stuff, she was doing it just because society was pushing her to fulfill a rol which she fail to complete.

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>>36788984
No argument here: Applejack needs all the characterization she can get.

>>36788989
"I'll tell you after breakfast" is still a lie when you don't intend to be there.

If anything, it seems to me that scene was meant to establish Applejack understood Pinkie Pie well enough to know how to get out of a Pinkie Promise. That, it was a good scene for the lawls. Logically, it doesn't hold together very well.

>>36788993
My interpretation is that from her point of view, she was being a little dishonest to not be completely dishonest.

>>36788995
My interpretation of that scene is that women are such manipulative shews that Amy Keating Rogers can't tell the difference between what Applejack did and a lie.

More likely, this was a case of the rule of funny overriding logic. Once a writer has in mind a cool scene, they're hesitant to let it go, and that whole Pinkie Pie / Applejack exchange was awesome from the time she jumped on the cart until CatchMeRarity.

>>36789000
Seriously? You're pulling the "you're thinking about it too hard" card?

>>36789001
Nah, thinking too hard is what we do here. I'm just thinking too hard on a different point of view. From speculation of the perspective of what the writer might have been thinking, rather than the viewer (your) personal perspective of what happened on the show.

>>36789009
But pretty much everything in the show can be explained by "The writer thought that this would be funny/dramatic/interesting and felt that character inconsistency/wasting time/whatever was an acceptable price for the moment".

>>36789011
So you think my guess was right? I can only speculate about writer motivation unless they straight up say it.

If we're speculating on how AJ's explanation for breaking a Pinkie Pie promise works from the inside, I'd have to say either magical pony logic works differently than human logic or Pinkie Pie is gullible, because that excuse seems like a massive copout to me.

I think everyone is getting bent out of shape about AJ being out of character; I thought she was perfectly in character.

She didn't want to lie, but at the same time her other flaw of feeling that she has to provide for everyone else and her stubborn pride outweighed that virtue of honesty.

So she tried to find a way to justify to herself that she wasn't lying to avoid having to confront the fact that she wasn't able to fulfill an EARLIER promise: namely that she'd come back with money for everyone.
It seems perfectly in character to me.




On the note of this episode though, this episode REALLY cheered me up. I'd been feeling down about Season 2 due to the slump it fell into around Mare do well, and this episode bounced back to everything That i loved about MLP.

This episode was just incredible, the ponies were enjoyable and in character, the jokes were great (LOVED that I love lucy reference with fluttershy and Pinkie), and it was great to see an episode that focused on AJ for something BESIDES her family.
Love, love LOVED this episode. 9/10, cannot stop praising it.

>>36789013
Well, yeah, it is. I just prefer to speculate in-universe reasons as to why things happened the way that they did.

>>36789015
>I think everyone is getting bent out of shape about AJ being out of character; I thought she was perfectly in character.

The fuck you talking about? I just argued as to why this episode enriches her character.

>>36789022

I was not referring to you in that statement 441.

I like AJ in this episode.

I'm not sure what else to say to this discussion. I think its not contradictory but more adjacent

>>36789052
I like everyone in this episode. Well, Fluttershy was meh, but everyone else was great.

>>36789055
What was so "meh" about Fluttershy? She didn't do/say much throughout the episode.

I really only had a problem with Pinkie, as this was the start of her descent into "lolrandumb", with the episode written by AKR no less. The entire episode was quite heavily overshadowed by Dərpy as well as Pinkie's nonstop randumb.

>>36789062

While pinkie was stupid, I could tolerate it due to the fact that it generally was used to set up other characters reactions instead of just being her acting in a vaccum. (such as Rarity getting hit by Pinkie or her anger at having to get home with pinkie).

Its not like the mailbox gag from WA where the entire joke is just pinkie in a vacuum checking the mailbox every 5 seconds and "that's the joke".

>>36789062
>What was so "meh" about Fluttershy? She didn't do/say much throughout the episode.
Yeah, that's the point. Everyone else got great lines and she just...didn't.

>I really only had a problem with Pinkie, as this was the start of her descent into "lolrandumb", with the episode written by AKR no less. The entire episode was quite heavily overshadowed by Dərpy as well as Pinkie's nonstop randumb.
Nope, nopenopenopenopenopenopenopenope you have it 100% backwards. This was the episode that proved Pinkie knows exactly what she's doing. She knows she's annoying, and she did it deliberately.

>>36789069
>Its not like the mailbox gag from WA where the entire joke is just pinkie in a vacuum checking the mailbox every 5 seconds and "that's the joke".
The joke was that the view from inside the mailbox leads you to believe that time is passing between each time she opens it. It implies that she's checking the mailbox very often but not literally every five seconds, and then when the camera moves to outside the mailbox, it reveals that she is checking every five seconds and there's no editing magic involved.

>in a vacuum
Then what the fuck was Applejack? A stray neutrino?

Fucking lord...I think this must be how Packrat felt. I'm desperately in defense of my favorite character amongst a group of people who have forsaken her.

>>36789072
>The joke was that the view from inside the mailbox leads you to believe that time is passing between each time she opens it. It implies that she's checking the mailbox very often but not literally every five seconds, and then when the camera moves to outside the mailbox, it reveals that she is checking every five seconds and there's no editing magic involved.

never got that impresion, i always thought that the piont was that she was checking 5 second since she started.

and i was suposed to laught at how dumb is pinkie pie, not that i thought she was doing one thing and it was other instead.

>>36789072
>She knows she's annoying, and she did it deliberately.

But still being incredibly obnoxious and over-the-top with her antics, throughout the entire episode. More crazy/randumb than any other episode prior.

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>>36789074
Don't forget how she attack rarity with her antics at the end of the episode, so she knows she made rarity pass a bad time.
And we are not counting how she rape fluttershy.

>>36789074
Of course she is, she's actively trying to be.

Maybe, somehow, this episode set a precedent for the randumb Pinkie, which is used poorly later on, even though it was actually good in this episode. Kind of like how Shrek heralded the era of mediocre Dreamworks movies (and imitators) even though it was actually a good movie itself.

>>36789085
Pretty much, yeah.

TLR was the first instance of "lolrandumb joke machine" Pinkie, and while it wasn't all that bad in itself, later instances of this characterization tended to be handled rather badly, as seen in CE, PTS Pt1, FV, and both EQG movies.

And it's especially bad for me because it's really my only problem with the show nowadays. Pinkie feels like a walking joke machine instead of a character. Instead of being lighthearted and scatterbrained, she's screeching her lines and making random jokes left and right. Ech.

Of course, most peoples' response to this complaint is "she hasn't changed!", which is mostly true; she hasn't really *changed* per se, she's just been turned up to 11.

>>36789087
I think the major difference between Season 3/4 and TLR is that Pinkie is actually funny in this episode.

Mostly because she's given actual jokes instead of screeching non-sequitur.

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>>36789089
Exactly. While she still has some "random comic relief" moments in TLR, a good bit of it is actually related to the episode, and not just outbursting for the sake of comic relief.

But after her performances in S3/S4, I don't really enjoy TLR as much as I did.

>>36789090

i'll agree I think pinkie can be terrible, and can ruins scenes with her antics. But I still can enjoy past episodes even if she's bad in the future.


For example, i still love twilight when I watch early season episodes despite hating her in S3/4.
So I can't fully sympathize with your view there.

>>36789095
And I can still enjoy S1 Pinkie because she's different than S4 Pinkie.

It's just that I used to really enjoy her antics in TLR, but now I just find them obnoxious because of S3/S4.

  Personally, I liked Pinkie Pie in TLR. Yeah, the necessity of the plot turned up her genki girl/cloudcuckoolander dial to 11, but that's alright, she can be a lot of fun when that's going on.

Now, there is such a thing as taking this too far. Screechy Pie is a problem, but that's a S4 thing, that wasn't going on this episode. Unlike Fillie Vanillie, Pinkie Pie wasn't being cruel, exactly: Applejack sort of deserved it for being so needlessly stubborn. Nor was Pinkie Pie necessarily oblivious to the harm she was doing in TLR, I think she knew she was being deployed to erode Applejack's defenses and acted accordingly. So overall, I think Pinkie Pie was good in TLR.

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