And trailer.

>>36791143

yay

>Starlight Glimmer

Another name that's strikingly similar to Twilight Sparkle.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/05/watch-trailer-latest-season-my-little-pony-friendship-magic

And another clip, mixed with other stuff!

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>>36791151
Smooze. Background ponies. Are you excited? Because we're excited for you. We think we did a breddy gud jerb.

>>36791148
Yeah, kind of disappointing IMO. I liked that connection with Sunset Shimmer but now they're just overusing it.

>>36791148
She's going to be Twilight Sparkle's Equestrian protégé. Calling it now. This is Twilight Sparkle's new friendship mission.

>>36791157
It was bland that time, and it's bland this time.

Like...oh wow, McCarthy looked in a thesaurus and found synonyms for "Twilight" and "Sparkle". 10/10 best creativity.

It would have helped if she was actually written as some kind of "nega-Twilight" instead of a cliche school bully.

>>36791159
And Celestia becomes even more irrelevant?

  >>36791160
>And Celestia becomes even more irrelevant?

>>36791160

List 1: Twilight, Starlight, Sunlight, Sunbeam, Sunrise, Sunset, Moonlight, Moonbeam, Dusk, Sundown, Daybreak, Sunshine, Moonshine, Starshine.

List 2: Sparkle, Glitter, Glisten, Glister, Gleam, Glint, Glimmer, Shimmer, Twinkle.

Three down, 123 to go.

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>>36791151
alot of people was asking for that ooze thing to make an apperance, but you think they where thinking on having it just like a bad guess on a dance?

Thats like bringing back that evil goat, and put him as a baker on an applejack episode.

Definitely looking forward to this.

>>36791143
Fresh coal into the hype train!

ETA: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150404T11&p0=%3A&msg=MLP%3AFiM+Season+5+Premire%21&csz=1&swk=1

So anybody know what Hasbro have against communism? That seems to be one of the episodes morals from what I call tell "hur duh communism is evil"

>>36791151
>smooze

God...fucking...damnit. No. goddamnit no. There goes my day.

More g1 shit is NOT what I want to see, and I goddamned hate the smooze. its right up there with Seaponies singing shoo be doo. Fuck. Damn. shit. Piss. cock. fuck. shit. DAMN.

>>36791148
>>36791157

Everything must revolve around Twilight don't you know: any villains must be evil versions of twilight and any new important characters must be paralelled to her in some way.
Because she's who the show is about, right.

>>36791159
Nah, I think she'll be the villain from the premier. To hammer home twilight's importance have villains be evil opposites of her in some way.

>>36791197

Coal trains are crap compared to our current trains. boo!

>>36791200

I'm not sure what you didn't like about Smooze before, but it really isn't very similar to the G1 smooze from what we've seen.

>>36791202

It was a shit threat, it was just a blob that basically just made people "mean" when it covered them (Oh no, a flood that makes ponies ill tempered if it touches them!), sounded like it was literally retarded, and was the most non-threatening hokey threat I've seen.
Additionally, the witches it was associated with were crap villains who I despised.

I'm not a fan of G1.

On watching the new video fully, it looks like he's just a civilized blob monster that Discord brought with him, but I'm really not looking forward to him, outside of his relationship to discord.
The only thing that I look forward to about seeing him is his relationship to discord, since Discord would be intending to parasprite others and Discord is always great.



>>36791151

Also, calling it now, Starlight glimmer turns out to be a giant "Take that!" at twilight being an alicorn and those that dislike her or say she's too important, in the most mean spirited way possible by the staff.


>>36791151

I don't think the joke glitching of the trailer really had a point (I.E., I don't think they really had a big point in mind when putting in that joke), but if they did intend that joke to hint at them having something big in the future, I'm going to guess its the movie in 2017.

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>>36791205

Nah, that'd be too specific and that ship has sailed. If anything it's going to talk about everyone in the cast; there's probably a good reason the episodes show Dash for example seeming to lose her ability to fly really fast. It'll be less about "Twilight's special and that's that" and more of a "the cast are all special and good at doing unique things, and taking that away just to make them 'equal' is bad" The focus being on all the cast as opposed to primarily Twilight in the previews strengthens my confidence in that, and since this is an episode dealing with ideologies involving entire communities, not simply one or two individuals, trying to water it all down to simply being a push on Twilight wouldn't work anyway.

I think the glitch was actually to cut out large specific information about the season, not the movie. Judging from some of the words that he was cut out from, I'm guessing it may be some things like say finally seeing the Griffon Kingdoms, Dragon Lands, certain characters doing something, etc.

>>36791205
>Also, calling it now, Starlight glimmer turns out to be a giant "Take that!" at twilight being an alicorn and those that dislike her or say she's too important, in the most mean spirited way possible by the staff.
That's a pretty cynical look. Starlight's issue isn't even about alicorns or races, she's focused on cutie marks and talents.

>>36791216
>If anything it's going to talk about everyone in the cast; there's probably a good reason the episodes show Dash for example seeming to lose her ability to fly really fast. It'll be less about "Twilight's special and that's that" and more of a "the cast are all special and good at doing unique things, and taking that away just to make them 'equal' is bad" The focus being on all the cast as opposed to primarily Twilight in the previews strengthens my confidence in that, and since this is an episode dealing with ideologies involving entire communities, not simply one or two individuals, trying to water it all down to simply being a push on Twilight wouldn't work anyway.
Agree, and I think to add to this, the MLP Facebook page recently made a post which, while highlighting the upcoming season 5, also makes notes of all of the six's strengths.
>Q: What’s faster than Rainbow Dash, stronger than Applejack, sillier than Pinkie Pie, more stylish than Rarity, kinder than Fluttershy, and more magical than Twilight Sparkle?

>>36791218
the thing will be about "every body being special into something, make them brag.

maybe the Starlight background will be that she got envy of her friends skills or something

and she will rule over equestria. where everybody is the same.

>>36791219

But then she could brag that she rules over Equestria! What a hypocrite.

>>36791220
But she is the badguy, beside, she will not brag about it.

She will be like she is not, she is the one running the town.

that is how they say it, she is the one running the utopia, so later she will be the one running equestria utopia.

>>36791220
Just like real Communism.

>>36791218

She's focused on ponies being UNEQUAL. Cutie marks are merely her method of enforcing equality.

As such, I don't think her being a take that at people saying Twilight is unequal to the other 5 is unlikely, given her name is basically twilight's. Plus there's that image of an alicorn that looked just like Starlight glimmer on the promo stuff.

>Agree, and I think to add to this, the MLP Facebook page recently made a post which, while highlighting the upcoming season 5, also makes notes of all of the six's strengths.
>Q: What’s faster than Rainbow Dash, stronger than Applejack, sillier than Pinkie Pie, more stylish than Rarity, kinder than Fluttershy, and more magical than Twilight Sparkle?


Promo material is often far more mane six oriented than the show tends to be (like games and comics referring to mane six or the like even when there's a heavy focus on twilight).
Promo material is there to drum up interest, so its always in your best interest to advertise all off the mane six instead of just one.


>>36791222

Joeseph Stallion Confirmed for the true villain of Season 5.

>>36791227
Even i found it kind of not probable, maybe the evil girl suck the cutiemarks, and become an alicorn, then she is defeated, and twilight say "i will teach you stuff"

so it becomes kind of a rehash of EqG1

Surprisingly on that toy promo they removed rarity instead of applejack

but againt, look at that vector, it look like it was done on pony generator, so maybe was done by people which had no idea what are they doing

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>>36791227
So would any kind of plot that would deal with equality vs individualism be considered some sort of mean take that at people who didn't like Twilight becoming an alicorn? And you think the mean take that is just what we've seen so far, or is the real take that going to happen sometime later in the episode.

>Promo material is often far more mane six oriented than the show tends to be (like games and comics referring to mane six or the like even when there's a heavy focus on twilight).
>Promo material is there to drum up interest, so its always in your best interest to advertise all off the mane six instead of just one.
And yet it might still foreshadow what each of the mane six acould lose in the premiere. We already saw that Rainbow Dash is slower.

>>36791231
>We already saw that Rainbow Dash is slower.

I don't think them losing their cutie marks and their talents is going to be more than like how Discord stole their wings and horns: just a simple method the villain uses to unpower the cast to make it harder for them to succeed and build drama (except without the mane six getting their abilities back until the very end)


>>36791231
what I mean is that I fully expect her to lambast twilight as being better than her friends due to being a princess/alicorn (since they said Glimmer is of the view that friendship can only be achieved with equality) and that Twilight will more or less show her up at the end by being like "Look at how good of friends we are DESPITE them not being equal with me!"

>>36791232
they will win by a random maguffin, or the villain being really dumb anyway.

>>36791232
>"Look at how good of friends we are DESPITE them not being equal with me!"

are you nuts?

that isnt going to be the message at all

it will be ""Look at how good of friends we are DESPITE we are good at totaly different things" something like "we are better than each other on totaly differernt ways so it doesnt matter"

>>36791227

The things we have seen in the episode though show a more mane6 focused episode though. Also, inequality does not immediately mean "one is a princess, the rest aren't!" as a focus; It means more about their talents as an individual, which again lines up with her taking away talents and cutie marks that make one stand out. One could say Dash in unequal to the others because she can fly the fastest, and in this episode, that is seen to be taken away. The more I look at it, and combined with the teaser promo say "who is faster than Dash,..." etc, the more confident I feel to say this will not be simply Twilight's "specialness", but all the cast.

>>36791232
I don't see that, I see her saying something like "Look at how you're ALL better off now that you ALL are equal to one another." She takes all their cutie marks away in an attempt to equalize them all to one another, not just to make Twilight equal to them or whatever; the plot affects the entire cast equally, so again focusing it heavily on Twilight wouldn't make sense since this episode isn't about one individual being unequal to the others, it's about communities and ideologies.

>>36791232
In these kinds of stories, doesn't the villain who believes in some sort of philosophy usually criticize the heroes, explaining their reasoning, only for the heroes to later find some sort of counterargument? It's not exactly a scene that would be unexpected for the story to have if it wasn't made with people complaining about Twilicorn in mind.

And like Demonio said, I don't think they're going to phrase their counterargument by just calling everyone else unequal to Twilight. It's probably going to need a bit more tact, like saying that they're all different or they all excel in their own way.

>>36791235
Eh, I more expect them to overpower the spell on them by their friendship activating rainbow power/cutie mark magic or something instead.

Like how Goku and vegeta overloaded Cooler when he tried to drain their power.

>>36791242

That would be a pretty quick de-power though wouldn't it? They get zapped and then a minute later they just get their cutie marks/powers back through friendship? They aren't getting mind controlled or Discorded, just power removed, so if they could just harness friendship and snap out of it, I think they would do so immediately. I think it may be something like they get zapped, manage to escape/teleport out, come to grips with their lack of unique traits, and then plan a mission to infiltrate the place where the artifact and their marks are in the second part. In that they'd give themselves back their marks, and maybe some other ponies too as seen in a preview clip, and manage to beat the villain that way, with perhaps rainbow power activating once they've gotten their marks back.

  Figured I'd post today's trailer

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I expect at least one Harrison Bergeron reference.

>>36791245
Already been posted quite a few times.

>>36791243
dont forget that there should be some big pretencions climax

>April 4th
*BEST BIRTHDAY EVER!*

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So April's going to not only have the 5 Fiendship is Magic comics, but we're also getting the first 5 episodes of season 5, assuming there are no initial breaks once it starts.

Busy month for ponies next month.

>>36791258
Honestly, I'm just giddy at the air date.

>>36791257

Oh really? That's quite a nice birthday present! Reminds me my birthday had the same air date as Pinkie Pride, which was awesome. Hope you have a good one in about a month.

>>36791260
Eh, I don't really celebrate birthdays, it's just cool to have the premiere be on it.

Then I can pretend that the showrunners are my buddies! And then I can kidnap them and threaten them with an axe until they write a Celestia episode!

>>36791257

I almost would have wanted them to have its date on april 1st to mess with people XD

>>36791160
>>36791162
I think you guys are missing the point. The name Twilight Sparkle means something in the context of the Nightmare Moon prophecy. The fact that Sunset Shimmer had such a similar name (although hers isn't quite as fitting) means that Celestia was looking for that kind of thing. But doing it again for Starlight Glimmer makes no sense, unless she was another one of Celestia's former students too. :p

>>36791268

>Secretly "have a name that sounds kind of like "a euphamism the light between day and night" is all you actually need to get accepted into Celestia's academy and there are hundreds of ex "proteges" running around equestria.

>trixie was expelled when it was learned she lied about her name being something similiar.

>>36791268
Maybe she is going to be a dark reflection of Twilight. Again.

Because only she has to confront what she could have been. The other characters are clearly not interesting enough to confront their darker halves.

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>>36791274

How about a pony with a name that's the opposite of twilight then, like dawn star or something; thought then you'd have basically named the pony satan at that point XD (morning star and all that).

>Again.

what we need then is Evil rarity for Season 5 Finale villain!

>>36791275
>How about a pony with a name that's the opposite of twilight
How about a pony that has fuck-all to do with Twilight? Can we NOT focus on a pony that's more boring than paint drying for once?

>>36791274
>Because only she has to confront what she could have been.
Starlight isn't really who Twilight could have been. She doesn't have any similar background or anything, Starlight just has a philosophy relating to friendship and equality that's different to what we've seen anyone have.

>>36791274
>The other characters are clearly not interesting enough to confront their darker halves.

well, to be fair, Dash and Rarity have met evil versions of themselves, they've just been massive douches instead of villains.
Kind of humerous that rarity herself has been more Evil/destructive as Inspirarity/nightmarity than Suri was XD

>>36791279
Give it time...

(Cynicism about Borelight Snorekle aside, I am interested in Starlight Glimmer, she does seem like a interesting villain, and I am glad that we're scaling back from massive titanic threats to just a very resourceful Unicorn.)

>>36791280
>Kind of humerous that rarity herself has been more Evil/destructive as Inspirarity/nightmarity than Suri was XD
Well, of course, one is a outworldly conqueror, the other is a cutthroat backstabbing socialite.

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>>36791281
...You know, I remember how before, you didn't really appreciate it when people took shots at Celestia for no reason other than they could.

>>36791281
>just a very resourceful Unicorn.)

Just a very resourceful unicorn with what look to be ARTIFACTS. That giant slab of stone and magical wand are probably not hers alone but something older.

>>36791276

Well, I'll agree to that, but I don't think that's in the cards eh.

>>36791143
On the note of names, they seem to be pretty lazy at times: Like in EQG3 they have a "sunny flare" on the other team aping Sunset's schtick, and "indigo zap" is more or less lightning dust :/

>>36791282
That was because I was a whiny little pussy-ass bitch, and I fully deserve whatever scorn I accrued from that. If anybody wants to kick my ass over that, I will suggest they start with the left buttcheek since it's softer.

Also I can't bring myself to like Celestia anymore, so there's that.

>>36791283
Yes, resourceful, she's using artifacts and wits, she's not a fucking demigod.

>>36791282
>>36791281
THAT 441'S A SPAH!

>>36791284

The last unicorn to rely on artifacts didn't do so well as I remember....

>>36791287
And the one before that was a fucktard idiot.

>>36791287
Well, I blame that on EQG being a big pile of shit.

>>36791290
I take that you don't like Trixie.

>>36791286
No, I just can't. Not anymore, after Reflections, I took a long, hard thought about it and realized "Being a Celestia fan is complete fucking horseshit. You're alone in your feeling, and your favorite character is either threated as a mouthpiece, a stage prop, or not threated at all, so fuck it, I'm done with this horseshit, I've been dealing with it for 2 fucking years, I'm done."

>>36791292
>don't like Trixie
I'm indifferent. I just think she's of well below average intelligence. She couldn't make a saving throw to keep herself from drowning with her head stuck in a wet paper bag.

>MON VISAGE QUAND we will never have the three evil stooges of Lightning dust, Sunset shimmer and Trixie as antagonists

>>36791299
Lightning Dust wasn't really evil or an antagonist, she was just an idiotic blowhard.

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>>36791307
being the idiotic blowhard that ruins your day count as an antagonist

>>36791307
A bit of a social darwinist as well.

>>36791308
Actually just being counter to the intent of the protagonist makes you an antagonist.

>>36791274
>>36791307
Actually I think Lighting Dust was a much better anti-Dash than Sunset Shimmer was anti-Twilight.

But that could just be because Twilight doesn't entirely HAVE a character for them to make an antithesis out of.

>>36791313
and Sunset shimmer just being a Highschool popular girl bully doesnt help

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>>36791307

That more or less describes trixie ;p

>>36791334
That's not a 100% skilled airshot.

New clip, but it doesn't reveal anything that the others don't.

http://www.tvguide.com/news/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-season-5-video/

Still a bit annoyed by how it bludgeons you over the head with "THIS IS THE VILLAIN."

>>36791341
This is a show for little girls. Of course they're going to beat that factoid over their heads so they can scream "Noooooo don't do it, Teilught! She's a meaniepoopface!"

>>36791341
Whatever, so far she's still one of the most subtle villains in the show, assuming that she has legitimately good intentions rather than just using everypony to achieve her goals.

>>36791343

What if she's using everypony to achieve her goals which are good intentioned?!

>>36791344
I'm including that under the "legitimate good intentions". As in, she's doing what she's doing because it's what she believes is better for the world, rather than her just being selfish and wanting power for herself.

Anypony know when it's being aired in the UK?

>>36791342
And then someone references a dated meme.

PLESE COM BAK FUAST

>villain's plan revolves around twilight as the key component.
>AGAIN
>roll's eyes.

>>36791348
Wow, it's almost as if she has political and social power in Equestria and could be used as a tool to force change!

But wouldn't that make her something like a uh.. Hm.. Oh I don't know... Someone of great royal significance in Equestria, what is that word again?

>>36791349
And then she'll slip right back into obscurity for the remaining 24 episodes (maybe 22, give or take an odd Twilight-focus episode here or there) because they can't decide whether to make being a princess in Equestria actually matter or not at all (hail a cab much, Princess?).

>>36791348
...How many times has that actually happened?

>>36791350
Well yes,

You want to try to make a kids version of Game of Thrones (without the murder and incest), go ahead. You will fail.

>>36791348
>>36791351

Yeah.....again? I mean I guess we could count Tirek, but that really was just her folding into the other three princesses. And I mean, it makes SENSE. If her plan involves anything beyond her own little town of course her seeing Twilight would give her ideas. I'd think the show would be intentionally making everyone stupid if a character who can potentially wield political and magical power is not a significant factor in a villain's plan who seems to WANT political and magical power. Between a villain somehow not taking into account Twilight's magical and political influence and one who actually does since they could use it for the benefit of their own plan, yeah I'll take the later.

To me this just seems like a logical and pretty obvious point the episodes would take; I would have been quite surprised if Twilight's princess-ness wasn't even glanced at the way the "everyone is equal" plot seemed from previews.

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>>36791353
After dealing with the comic's bullshit, I'm just glad that they're actually ACKNOWLEDGING Twilight's status as a princess, and the responsibilities that it brings.

>>36791354
Yeah, completely agreed.
Honestly that little quote from the villain made me more interested in what she's planning; it has to be something beyond just zapping off marks, she clearly got something far bigger in mind.

>>36791355
My guess is that she wants to make Twilight join her cult and use her political influence to make everybody in Equestria go under the same Equalization procedure. Either because she's jealous of how everypony was always better than her, or because she feels like that differences only generate strife and discord, which leads to broken friendships.

I theorize that the Mane Six will almost drift away specifically because they're now all equal, but eventually remember what makes them unique, and how much they appreciate that on eachother, both the good and the bad, and they're able to break through the curse through sheer willpower and topple Starbright's plan.

>>36791356

Hmm, that would be interesting, sort of another take on the whole Discorded effect (which by the way, all the ponies, even the villain seem a little greyed-out to me, just a tiny bit similar to the Discorded effect of RoH, makes sense if they start to lose their own identity and what makes them unique). I have to wonder if the equalization procedure causes them to sort of lose a sense of themselves and therefore become indoctrinated in a way over time, which would lend credence to Starbright's plan, since otherwise she'd have a pretty pissed group of friends and a princess who wouldn't vouch for her little treatment. It's a pretty good theory, and I like the implications it could mean for swapping marks; over time it's powerful stuff on the identity but it doesn't mean you're forced to become what they are, you can break the mold (a dash of friendship always helps of course).

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This maybe my fault....
but i fail to see anything exiting or interesting on the premier.

There isnt much, i dont think there isnt going to be anything that good, except maybe for some of the jokes... but they will not explain anything, they will not explore anything that interesting, there isnt really.... nothing going on.

Ponies will fight agaisnt comunist pony which will try to take over equestria by making everybody equal.....


Is all my fault.....

and if the supposed mega movie of 2017 does this....
maybe just the curiosity of seeing the ultra highbudget animation could be interesting, but nothing else.

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>>36791143
Sounds scary.

>>36791143
Now this gets me thinking about the final episodes.

>>36791366
how?
what does this to make you think on the last episode?

>>36791143
Sure hope the other ponies (Twilight's friends) become Alicorns as well because that would be awesome to see.

>>36791368
Just to be a reminder of "Every little girl want to be a princess"

So we crown the show with that moral, that at the end, the only thing girls give a damn is being princesses.

beautiful,

>>36791368
The point that the episode is going to make is that total equality is bad and you should celebrate diversity... and you want for the Mane Six to be the same race.

>>36791368

>>36791368
Try this on then: http://www.fimfiction.net/story/92077/the-great-alicorn-hunt

Be sure to read Parting Words before though.

Blech. Fanfiction.

>>36791374
The only different between fanfiction and fiction is that one has a source material and builds from it.

And are you really going to put down the Star Wars expanded Universe? Or the Warcraft or Starcraft books? Or Star Trek, Warhammer, or any great works that had additional works made for it?

You know what this is also like? This is like someone saying "Oh, I wish I had pizza." Making them a pizza and they be like "Homemade pizza? Bleh!" Because they had one or two bad homemade pizzas.

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>>36791375
the thing is, that this are done by bronies...

>>36791376
This brony is an accomplished author of several original works.

http://www.rhjunior.com/

>>36791377
and?
as well as the comic staff, and they alot of the time cant hold a candle to competence.

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>>36791375
I'll stick with the show. No longer the comics. Definitely not the spinoff movies.

>>36791378
You didn't even bother checking a single one of his strips, did you? You didn't' even bother to read a word of his written works.

Tell me, you little parasprite. What's the difference between you and someone who refuses to watch MLP?

>>36791379
No, you aren't understanding.

The comics and the movies are all official licensed works. The Expanded Universe and texts written for other major media works, such as Doujin for manga and anime, are done by fans of the works, not by the company themselves.

>>36791380
he can be good.

but i have no interest on reading fan fics, it doesnt born on me.

>What's the difference between you and someone who refuses to watch MLP?
i dont know.

>>36791382
There is no difference. Everything that can be said about them applies just as well to you.

>>36791380
>Tell me, you little parasprite

Getting awfully defensive, aren't you?

>>36791384
I think you go defensive and aggressive confused.

And aggression is the normal response to encountering a frequent nuisance.

>>36791383
well....
if you get techincal.
you are wrong.

because you could say
>the one who refuse to watch MLP hasnt watch MLP

while i have watch it.

so no, not everything that can be sait about them applies to me as well.

>>36791387
For you it would be

>Those who refuse to read FanFics have never read FanFics.

>>36791388
i have read fanfics on the past.

one was that cupcake thing which was popular when i hear about the show.

the other one was about twilight rubbing herself against some fluffy pony to pretty much masturbate and then broke her neck just because... or i dont know why.

and i think one where everybody was turn into spiders or something like that... i dont remember how that one went.

So you can say my experience with fanfics is awful.
and that is pretty much why i dont care about it.
people can write their "lul" stories, i just coulndt find to care.

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>>36791389
It's even worse. Now you are the kind of person who would watch G1 MLP and think that FiM is exactly the same.

>>36791390
from people which was telling to me
"look dood this ponies are amazing"
and they pop up G3 ponies.

and i will be like ".... yea....."

>>36791391
I am not quite sure how to read that counter argument.

>>36791351
>>36791353

Sunset shimmer's plan was Steal twilight's element and use it to godmode the entire world, pushing twilight into the center as the one who's element was at stake and dangerous.

Tirek's entire plan ended up coming down to "Find and drain twilight" with everyone else just there to facilitate that.

The crystal empire's plot revolved around twilight and her test, with it being about "will Twilight stop sombra?"




Fuck, that;s why Rainbow rocks was so goddamned refreshing, as apart from the mane six thinking she'd know what to do to save the day, The rest of the plot didn't give a shit about her, and the villains didn't even KNOW she was special in any way besides being something to eat.


>>36791372
>>36791368

Yeah, rather transparent baiting here mate.

>>36791393
>Sunset shimmer's plan was Steal twilight's element and use it to godmode the entire world

I wish I knew where people get the idea that Sunset had the plan from the start to mind control the school.

>>36791393
>Sunset shimmer
She didn't give a fuck about Twilight, she just wanted her Mcguffin.

>Tirek
Twilight was holding magical power, Tirek wanted all of the magical power.

>Sombra
He didn't even know she existed.

>>36791393

>The crystal empire's plot revolved around twilight and her test, with it being about "will Twilight stop sombra?"

Yeah, but your original point was "villain's plan revolves around Twilight". Sombra never really had a plan besides waiting for the shield to go down and controlling everything again, and Twilight certainly wasn't a part of that for him.

As I said earlier, it makes perfect sense for the villain to use a character who has potential magical and especially political power since that's what she wants to spread her ideals. The episode would look pretty dumb to not even consider Twilight's potential influences for the bad guys own ends at the very least.

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>>36791397
>The episode would look pretty dumb to not even consider Twilight's potential influences for the bad guys own ends at the very least.
Y'now, like the comics!

>>36791400

No no. Those make sure to set up twilight as being the only truly important individual in the plot while making the Plot only a problem due to her blinding idiocy.
Whatever bad things the show has done with twilight, they are shakespear compared to how katie cook's handling Twilight. (Which is ONLY katie cook too sadly, as Twi was great in her and pinkie's FF)


>>36791397
the issue is still revolving everything around twilight. that's the spirit of the problem even if not the letter.

>>36791403

So what, no one ever mentions or uses the fact she's a princess and an alicorn ever, even if it would significantly open up plot holes in the story?

You can be annoyed whenever they bring it up, but you cannot deny that not doing so especially in this episode's conflict would be harmful to the story. She's got some social and political status, if the plot actually uses that to its advantage instead of pretending it doesn't exist then that's a good thing.

>>36791381
As I said, I'll stick with the show. No longer the comics. Definitely not the spinoff movies.
Add to that: I will never touch a fanfiction with a 500 ft pole.

>>36791396
1) It was squarely on Twilight's shoulders to stop Sunset and get her McGuffin back.

2) It was squarely on Twilight's shoulders to prevent Tirek from acquiring that power, so much so that Celestia requested Twilight not even tell her closest friends of the power-transfer plan.

3) It was squarely on Twilight's shoulders throughout the Crystal Empire episodes to save the day by her lonesome and the episodes made it focus mostly on her doing the important while the rest of the cast did the mundane (inb4 prancing around like distracting idiots is equally important because reasons).

>>36791395
we are suppose to think sunset shimmer just wanted it because it look pretty, and just had a plan to take over the world when she put the crown on.

Sorry if people fail to understand sunset shimmer motivations when her character is so shallow.

>>36791380
I follow Ralph Hayes's less ideological webcomics, because he's a darned good writer and artist in his own unique way; but I don't usually read his writings, because Right-Wing Christian Gun Nut is not my favorite flavor of ice cream. So what's the evidence that he's a brony? The only MLP-related piece of his I've seen was an essay arguing that the show is a piece of seductive Marxist propaganda.

>>36791408
His argument is that the villain's plan always hinges on Twilight. Don't move the goalposts.

>>36791412
His entire page on FimFiction? He goes by RealityCheck there.

He has 12 stories of 980,000 words total. He has also written 129 different blog pieces and is the 44th most followed user on the website.

I'm not sure what else you want besides me handholding you as I open up one of his stories and read it to you like a bedtime story.

>>36791411
Why do you think we are supposed to think that?

Just take a look at the character and the item she is after.

Sunset Shimmer was once Celestia's student. She exhibited great pride in herself and a strong lust for power both magical and socio-political, going so far as to imagine herself as an Alicorn Princess. She delved into dark magics with this goal in mind before she was stripped of her position. She finds great joy in being in the position of power and status within social groups.

The Crown of Magic represents not only a position as Princess of Equestria, but also the title of Element of Magic and recognition as the most powerful Unicorn in Equestria. Both of those things are what Sunset Shimmer wants, but to add that the fact that to the outside eye the Element made Twilight an Alicorn?

Why wouldn't Sunset go for it?

We've got another clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efUGd5zfCDw

So yeah, this pretty much confirms that the story is going to be similar to RoH. Everyone loses their cutie marks, becomes "equal", but then remembers who they are and get their cutie marks back.

>>36791418
Eh, I think it's going to be just similar in structure, with the overall themes and character interactions being different enough to distinguish both episodes.

>>36791416
Most of That isn't on the movie.

And most of her plan telly on knowing things she shouldn't know

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>>36791421
Why shouldn't she know anything I described?

>>36791422
For starters:

It was not shown how she knows who the Elements of Harmony are, or how she knows that Twilight's crown is an EoH, or how she even knows the EoH have been reawakened, etc....as far as the movie tells us, she has not been in Equestria since before the FIM series began. It literally never shows how she knows these things, yet her entire plan hinges on them.

Gaping plot hole.

>>36791423
Sure, gaping plot hole.

If you refuse to actually look at what is being shown to you.

Coming out of the mirror wearing a cloak shows preparation. Dodging the guards shows practice. Knowing exactly where to look shows that she had gathered intelligence. Even if she had not left the boundaries of the Crystal Empire (Or the Canterlot Castle during the time the mirror was there), she could have still easily aquired a newspaper and kept herself up to date on current events.

>>36791422
Her plan for starter rely On the next.
>sunset shimmer knew the elements got found and activated
> sunset shimmer knew twilight became a princess
> sunset shimmer knew twilight was going to the crystal empire
> sunset shimmer knew celestia was going to pick up the same day her portal mirror to the crystal empire
> sunset shimmer should know that twilight was going to left her crown on the open of her room while sleeping.
> all this happen exactly on the 3 specific days she just need.

And they never hinted her real motivation.
So when she say " I'm not going to break the portal" and later she say "I wast going to break it because I'm going to take over the world"....

So yea, by it own EG is a horrible mess. If later want to fix stuff by pulling up excuses. That is different

>>36791424
That is making up excuses

"She just knew because is so hardcore, that is why she know everything"

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>>36791414
Well thanks for the info, Mr. Grumpy Pants. I don't know why I didn't automatically realize that Hayes writes fanfic under a pseudonym. Silly old me!

>>36791424
>Coming out of the mirror wearing a cloak shows preparation.
But it doesn't show how she knows all about the EoH.

>Dodging the guards shows practice.
But it doesn't show how she knows all about the EoH.

>Knowing exactly where to look shows that she had gathered intelligence.
"Knowing exactly where to look" ? Headcanon, because there was no indication that she actually knew where she was going.

>she could have still easily aquired a newspaper and kept herself up to date on current events.
Headcanon, because the movie never showed it.

Headcanon =/= canon. Just because you can think up a headcanon to make it work, does not mean the plot hole is not a plot hole.

Anyways...if we could stop clogging up the S5 thread with rehashed whiteknighting of a movie from 2 years ago, that would be great.

>>36791425
Did you even pay attention to the movie?

>>36791430
I didn't know people were so dependant on everything be shown and explained in detail.

>>36791431
Yes. And I never once saw or heard anything about how the main villain knows who the new element bearers are, how she knows Twilight's crown is an EoH, how she knew who the other 5 were in the alternate universe, etc. etc.

The writing is full of gaping plot holes, contrivances, and in general lots of crap that goes unexplained. Stop trying to defend bad writing with headcanons.

>>36791432
Nice hyperbole.

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>>36791424
I don't know if that was really possible within the show's timeframe as it's doubtful that she even could have gathered much information on the Crystal Empire or other recent events like the Princess Summit happening. The mirror only opens once every 30 moons. According to Meghan on the Rainbow Rocks DVD commentary, it takes place only 6 moons after the first movie, which means season 4 took place over 6 moons. In that case, since the Crystal Empire was only restored and Princess Cadence took control after the beginning of the season 3 premiere, that would mean the 11 episodes following it, 2 of which took place at the same time as each other (JFS and GPP) would have had to taken over 5 times longer to happen than the 26 episodes (24 stories) of season 4. Which I don't think was meant to be the case.

And the portal is only open for 3 days. Twilight came over on Wednesday and the Fall Formal took place on Friday. So Sunset would have only had that very night to prepare for everything, which would've included learning the layout of the Crystal Empire's castle, finding out where Twilight was sleeping, knowing she would even be there due to the Princess Summit, and knowing the design of the Element of Magic which only got redesigned after Twilight became a princess.

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>>36791433
>how she knew who the other 5 were in the alternate universe, etc. etc.

Um...

She didn't?

They were just in her way.

>>36791434
That would depend on how long a moon is. A month? A week? A day? How long is a 'moon' on a planet that does not have natural lunar cycles?

>>36791435
The comic released after the movie very heavily implies that she specifically targeted the other 5.

Ergo, she somehow knew that these 5 specific individuals were going to become EoH bearers in the future.

How? Who the fuck knows, it's never explained!

But really, enough clogging up the S5 thread with whiteknighting of a terrible movie. Back to actual ponies and not pastel-colored barbie-proportion "humans".

>>36791437
>The comic released after the movie very heavily implies that she specifically targeted the other 5.

Yes.. because they were in her way. She couldn't force the school into social clicks if one group made up of different clicks still existed.

>>36791436
Well first off, how long do you think season 4 took? Do you think season 3 took place over a period of time 5 times longer than season 4?

And even then, how could she have learned information like the new design of the crown and that there was a princess summit and Twilight would be staying at the Crystal Empire for it, when the portal was only just opened the night Sunset came through?

>>36791439
Newspapers, chattering from the guards and service staff, etc.

Also, do we know that it was open only the first night? Not during the day?

>>36791439
As to the passage of time, It's hard to say. While the community went for each season being a span of one year, I don't fully invest in that.

Unless the Grand Galloping Gala gives out tickets a year in advance. Possible, but you have to account for that. and other thing.

>>36791440
>Also, do we know that it was open only the first night? Not during the day?
The rules were that when the moon reaches its peak on the night of the third day, the portal would close. Presumably it was close to sunrise when Sunset stole the crown, given how it was soon light out after she made it through the mirror, so the early hours probably counted as being part of the day. Now after Twilight spent a day at the school and slept the night in the library, Principal Celestia spoke over the P.A. the next morning saying how it was Thursday and the Fall Formal would take place tomorrow night. So Twilight had to have spent three whole days at Canterlot High, so the portal couldn't have opened the day before the crown was stolen and Twilight and Spike went through the mirror.

>>36791441
You don't even need to pin down exactly how long a season is or anything in terms of actual months, just comparatively would you say the span from the end of TCE to the beginning of EqG is plausibly meant to be five times longer than the span of the end of EqG, the entirety of season 4, to when Rainbow Rocks takes place?

Otherwise that would require Sunset to learn several things within maybe a few hours of before she tries to steal the crown. She would have to learn how to navigate an area she's completely unfamiliar with. She would have to find a newspaper that's just lying around that has some sort of picture of Twilight that says she's there in the Crystal Empire, go back through the mirror to steal the school's crown and come back to do the switch. And I still don't see how she could have found out exactly where Twilight's room was, since that's not the sort of information put into a newspaper, guards have shown to be stoic and not very talkative, and we haven't even seen that there is a live-in service staff or one that works the night shift. Would probably be hard to clean when there's no lights on besides the guards searchlights.

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>>36791442
Very true, but still relies on how often the portal is open.

I brought up that in a culture which does not have natural moon phases due to hte position of the sun, moon and earth going by that is rather odd. Thus we must either count the number of times the moon appears in the sky (same manner as one might say 3 winters to note three years but for this it would be 3 days), a week (Moonday to Moonday), or some other definition.

So either Sunset pops in every 30 days for a 3 night visit or almost every year and a half.

>>36791443
Well it can't just be times we've seen it in the sky, since the moon popped up more than 5 times in season 4. I can count at least once in PTS, assuming they only set the sun down later on after Celestia and Luna were recovered so that they could do the sun rise celebration, we see the moon when Ahuizotl steals the ring in Daring Don't and goes back to the temple, we see the moon in FttF when Scootaloo practices flying until night time, we see the moon when everyone tries to capture Flutterbat in Bats, we see the moon the night before the Ponytones were expected to perform for the Pet Center, we see the moon when Applejack goes to confront the Flim Flam brothers, and we see the moon was up when Twilight had to lower it in TK part 2.

>new villain is Starlight Glimmer
just how many Twilight Sparkle variants are we going to have??

>>36791413

I said in a previous post that the spirit of my argument is about everything revolving around twilight; so if things revolve around twilight but in a "Slightly different" way, that still violates the spirit of the issue if not the letter of what i said.

>>36791416
>The Crown of Magic represents not only a position as Princess of Equestria, but also the title of Element of Magic and recognition as the most powerful Unicorn in Equestria.


No that wasn't: She stated in the movie that a magic object taken into the human world operated differently (when she mocking asked twilight if she even knew what happened when you took a magical object into another dimension), showing that her plan was to steal the element's power, not use it for any symbolic function.

her plan clearly was to uber herself up with it, given her insane laughter about power when she finally grabbed it. Plus, if you take the prequel comic into the equation, her entire villainy was due to reading a Book by starswirl the bearded that explained a method to become an alicorn princess by utilizing the mirror and getting pissed off at celestia for forbidding her from reading that book.

>>36791445
>new villain is Starlight Glimmer
just how many Twilight Sparkle variants are we going to have??


AGAIN AND AGAIN UNTIL EVERYONE FINALLY UNDERSTANDS THAT TWILIGHT IS THE TRUE IMPORTANT CHARACTER AND STOP ASKING FOR THE OTHER 5!

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>>36791424
Headcanon, headcanon, headcanon, and headcanon.

Can we get back to S5 discussion instead of arguing about a terrible two-year-old movie?

The problem I have with this is that this season seems like it's going to take a blatantly obvious anti-communist slant, using a ridiculous interpretation of Communism as its target, make the person running it out to be blatantly evil, and then slap a message of "EMBRACE INDIVIDUALISM OR YOU'LL BE EVIL PONY". I know they're a corporation just like the others, but I'm surprised Hasbro is stooping to this kind of shit.

>>36791452
>this season seems like it's going
>this season

What makes you think that the *entire season* is going to have the same theme as the opener?

And it's not just a black-and-white "COMMUNISM IS BAD MMKAY" message. The townsfolk are clearly under some sort of unwilling mindfuck, and the villain is clearly a villain.

Wait until the episode actually airs to start whining about the themes/messages of it.

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>>36791453
>And it's not just a black-and-white "COMMUNISM IS BAD MMKAY" message. The townsfolk are clearly under some sort of unwilling mindfuck, and the villain is clearly a villain.

I'm familiar enough with anti-Communist propaganda to know that "unwilling brainwashing by EVIL cult leader" is exactly how America portrays any collective society. It's kind of like if a Nazi country decided to make their main villain of a cartoon a money hoarding scheming sonofabitch. They wouldn't explicitly say "it's a jew", but based on the propaganda that goes through the country it's pretty obvious what they're intending.

And if the villain is "clearly a villain", then wouldn't this be EXACTLY a black and white issue? It's not like these guys are known for making sympathetic villains.

But alright, I'll wait until the episode actually airs before I complain. Who knows, I might be pleasantly surprised, but for now, it just looks like bad propaganda.

>>36791454
The 1950's and the Cold War were both a long time ago. Any sentiments of "COMMUNISM = PURE EVIL" are long gone in the minds of most.

I highly doubt Hasbro is specifically trying to push some sort of politically-charged message via a childrens' cartoon.

Just like FPK and people crying that it was "anti-science propaganda", I think you're reading too deeply into a childrens' cartoon and making connections that the author isn't intending.

>>36791452
Or it could just be saying "Celebrate diversity, for although our differences may shatter bonds, it can also strengthen them". Not everything is a godamn political commentary.

>>36791456

>>36791455
>Any sentiments of "COMMUNISM = PURE EVIL" are long gone in the minds of most

Funny considering how a good 50% of the country loves to rail about the evils of Socialism, while another 40% tries to distance themselves so far away from it that they become nearly identical to the other group. Yes, fear of Communism is perfectly prevalent in American society today, especially since you still have people who honest to god think that the Soviet Union has come back and that Europe has been dominated by Godless Islamic Gommies that only Glorious St Ronnie can stop.

>I highly doubt Hasbro is specifically trying to push some sort of politically-charged message via a childrens' cartoon

Oh please, all companies use programming in their cartoons. Usually it's the generic "buy our toys" crap that some shows handle more subtly than others, but as I've seen they're definitely not above using "special episodes" like this to maintain the status quo. It's how society keeps running.

>>36791456
"Celebrate diversity" is an American codeword for "exploitation is good! Equality is evil! Don't be a gommie, vote for Ron Paul!" If they really cared about diversity, then we wouldn't have such demographic inequality or issues with white cops constantly shooting black kids for minor offenses.

I gotta go to a music recital, but I'll be back to discuss this later.

>>36791458
...Yeah, you're reading way too deeply into a childrens' cartoon.

Giving off a message of "Everyone is unique in some way and that's great, don't give up your individuality" is not some kind of anti-communist propaganda, sorry. The 1950's were a long time ago, the government is not trying to brainwash us into hating communism anymore. Especially not through childrens' cartoons about colorful equines.

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>>36791460
WOW. I have to admit, this is a record time that I've seen someone resort to "it's just a cartoon" as a desperate attempt to defend their argument.

If it's "just a cartoon", then why even have a discussion about episodes? It's "just a cartoon", episode themes shouldn't matter. Plot isn't important, because after all it's "just a cartoon" and nobody ever takes anything away from that ever. Maybe this board could take its own fucking advice and stop indulging every single thread whining about Twilight or Equestria Girls. You're happy to endorse that with your headcanons and pleading, but somehow I'M the one that's looking too deep into it?

No, I know blatant programming when I see it, thank you very much. If you want to be blissfully ignorant, have fun. I have to go anyways.

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>>36791458
Not going to lie, you sound like a complete fucking lunatic right now.

Like, "911 was a hoax" lunatic.

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>>36791461
I'm saying "it's just a cartoon" in that...good god it's a cartoon for children, not a Fox News opinion program.

Not everything is a political commentary trying to brainwash the masses. Stop being so paranoid.

Being anti-government is fine; being paranoid that everything is an evil brainwash-attempt is not fine.

>If you want to be blissfully ignorant

Insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you is not helping your case.

>>36791452
Just because the villain is promoting equality does not make it about communism. Communism is about economic equality and having a government that controls all businesses. What we've seen is about getting rid of special talents and downplaying individuality, in a vein more similar to Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron, which if anything is more a satire on dystopian future stories and more extreme forms of egalitarianism.

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People have said before how Equestria is a mix between capitalism and Communism.

Because everybody do what they are destined to do, and they make money out of it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1751105/episodes?season=5

>>36791467
1. I know at least some of those came out when it was saying that the premiere would be called Cutie Mark Magic, not Cutie Markless. The titles aren't reliable until some official source actually gives the same title.

2. This is the season 5 premiere thread. If you have information pertaining to future episodes, post it in the information thread. >>36791188

So anyone have some thoughts on these four?

>>36791469
what about them?

they appear on the premier or something?

>>36791471
They've been shown to be with the mane six before, particularly when they seem to confront Starlight and Starlight was glowing at them.

>>36791469
Actually I just realized, these two that lead the mane six to Starlight look like they could be the two stallions in that picture. Everyone with equal marks seems to have similar mane styles and muted coloring. Change the hair for both of them and make the unicorn have a brighter shade of blue, and they could be the same.

>>36791473
maybe the mane 6 on the way look this guys

they are like "oh yea, look my talent is so great"

then they join the cult, and they are going to be like "look our smiles, we are happy, but we cant do the supposed cool stuff that we did before"


kind like the audience get what the cutiemarks get when you see this guys again after transforming them.

or something like that.

>>36791469
Besides the fact that the pegasus HAS HER WINGS ON BACKWARDS?

>>36791473
As I said before, that's because ITS A CULT!

>>36791444
Yes, but that doesn't answer what I was speaking about.

>>36791454

That's not true. This seems more like how we portray cults, not communism or socialism.

america views Communism and Socialism not as brainwashing but as a fascist and oppressive government that leads to laziness of the common man while simultaneously leading to Corruption of the government so that Despots have almost absolute power.



This was a huge problem I and alot of others had with Bioshock 2 for example: it wasn't communism, it was a Cult. The good of the community thing combined with the churches wasn't really a good example of communism so much as cultism.

>>36791469

Maybe the mane six meet kind of paralells to themselves in the episode that they teach to be proud of their talents and to embrace who they are? Kind of like how the keys were gained by teaching their elements to similiar ponies to themselves.

>>36791475
>Besides the fact that the pegasus HAS HER WINGS ON BACKWARDS?
That's more just perspective of the viewer mixed with stopping at a certain frame. Her wing is flapping down in that frame, and that causes the wing to curve.

>As I said before, that's because ITS A CULT!
I was referring more to just the observation that a couple of the ponies that seem to be somewhat important for later in the episode can be seen from an earlier point in a way that people probably wouldn't notice.

>Yes, but that doesn't answer what I was speaking about.
You brought up the idea of one way to interpret a moon meaning each time the moon pops up.
>Thus we must either count the number of times the moon appears in the sky
>So either Sunset pops in every 30 days
I was just disproving that idea.

>>36791477
>Maybe the mane six meet kind of paralells to themselves in the episode that they teach to be proud of their talents and to embrace who they are? Kind of like how the keys were gained by teaching their elements to similiar ponies to themselves.
I considered that, though even if you included Starlight, the group seems to be missing a pegasus.

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>>36791478
>I considered that, though even if you included Starlight the group seems to be missing a pegasus.

we haven't seen alot of images so far though, its possible there's 2 others that just aren't featured in that image. Like rarity is out of the picture there too, so maybe there's a rarity mirror pony next to her outside the frame?
And I'd bet that Twilight's mirror will be the villain.




Hey! Hell, that might be how they beat the villain: Maybe those 4 are the villain's friends, and somehow in the past their different talents broke them apart, which is why the villain thinks that equality is the key to friendship?

The mane six would then show these 4 (Possibly 5) ponies how they can be friends while still being different, and those 5 ponies convince the villain that she's wrong?

>>36791478
>I was just disproving that idea.

Oh.. Oh damn it.. I am sorry, I miswrote.

I meant to say that the Moon count is saying how many times night has fallen between one point to another, similar to a Winters count. Jimmy is three winters old, it has been five moons since I've last seen him.

>>36791480
>we haven't seen alot of images so far though, its possible there's 2 others that just aren't featured in that image. Like rarity is out of the picture there too, so maybe there's a rarity mirror pony next to her outside the frame?
Rarity's in the shot, though it cuts away when you only see her face looking at the others. And there's another shot in an earlier trailer where we do see everyone and it's still just the mane six, Starlight, and the other 4.

Unless a fifth one, being a pegasus and likely to parallel Fluttershy, is so good at hiding they in the frame, you just need to look harder.

Oh no wait, I just realized the pink one is a unicorn too. So that'd be three unicorns, if Starlight is counted, a pegasus, and an earth pony in a group?

>Maybe those 4 are the villain's friends, and somehow in the past their different talents broke them apart, which is why the villain thinks that equality is the key to friendship?
>The mane six would then show these 4 (Possibly 5) ponies how they can be friends while still being different, and those 5 ponies convince the villain that she's wrong?
It is possible. They seem to be going with something different with Starlight's character seeming more like an extremist with a different world view than just evil to make her more understandable, and to highlight the mission of spreading friendship across Equestria it would make sense to actually use friendship in a diplomatic way to be what solves the problem instead of as fuel for an energy beam to defeat the villain.

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>>36791480

That's actually a pretty good idea. Like Marimo said, better to use the friendship as a force of good rather than just punishment. Until now I couldn't think of how they'd redeem this character unless they just decided banished her, something which seems a bit extreme for a regular pony just misguided in creating a "perfect world" for everyone.
That plot detail solves it nicely and explains her back story/motivations while not having it be an abrupt change of demeanor in the end. Also it shows she actually had friends and wanted the best for all of them instead of it just being her own individual goals, so more sympathy for her, good good.

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>>36791469
Betcha once they get their cutie marks back, Rarity will start hitting on one of the stallions.
i need to stop reading the comics...

>>36791489
no you don't~

>>36791452
not exactly seeing that. We've hit discord and now we are hitting harmony. Its covering all those bases.

>>36791510
Oh yes I do...

>>36791489
>>36791510

Comics in general no, as the FF have been pretty good. Mane comics? Yeah, I'll agree there, Katie's been in a massive shitslump as of the last 6 or so issues.

>>36791143
>Starlight Glimmer has a vastly different and rather sinister view on friendship and the individual talents that make Equestria's ponies so special.

I said it a year ago or whenever that preview was revealed, I'll say it again, I know for a fact this villain is going to be a strawman of the people that dislike McCarthy's power imbalance.

>>36791526
And I think most of us said something along the lines of "No, it won't" about that same time.

>>36791527
You all say that but I don't believe you considering the average opinion on Twilicorn.

>>36791529
Average opinion based on what sample size? People raging about her or just general consensus?

Here's the fact, Fluttz, Princess Twilight SOLD. They put her out and people bought it. An adjustment to their molds and now they got fresh cash rolling in. That's the consensus that matters. People like the new change enough to slap down some cash for her. Be they Bronies, Parents or even kids with spending money.

>>36791530
High sales =/= quality

See: Justin Beiber, Fifty Shades of Grey, Twilight series, etc

/devilsadvocate

>>36791530
>Here's the fact, Fluttz, Princess Twilight SOLD. They put her out and people bought it. An adjustment to their molds and now they got fresh cash rolling in.

Never said it didn't. In fact your statement makes me more sure that McCarthy's going to use this episode as a "WHY DON'T YOU LOVE TWILICORN YET?" hook.

>>36791531
>High sales =/= quality

Doesn't matter.

We get CoD games almost every other year because they sale.

Now, is it possible that lower quality will eventually make the bubble burst? Of course! It's why CoD took themselves out of the WW2 trench and went with something fresh.

I like to believe that, for now to be fair, FiM is high quality enough that it can ride following sales for as long as it needs to.

>>36791535
I'm simply pointing out that your argument of "it sells a lot therefore it's good" is very flawed.

Quality and sales numbers are not always directly proportional to each other.

I don't want FIM to be "just good enough to sell toys", I want it to be good enough to be remembered decades from now. If you want "just good enough to sell toys", there's G2 through G3.5.

And as a side note, CoD has not been "fresh" since CoD 4. They've been rehashing the same game over and over but with minor changes and new maps each time.

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>>36791538
Sadly, business doesn't work that way.

You can't eat fame. You can't build a roof with nostalgia and you can't clothe yourself in the love of your fans. Money is what matters. You can buy food, a roof and clothes with money and if low quality means you get money, then that's what they will go for.

>>36791526
>>36791527

Going to point out here that just earlier in this thread I said the exact same thing that flutter here is saying, so he's not alone in his sentiment.

I have a feeling this one will end up being quite mean spirited and a take that at those with different views than McCarthy.

>>36791539

There are different ways to view sales and money, a massive amount of money being made can still be VERY bad.

Specifically, look at long term and short term success here. Its very easy to make a situation where you make lots of short term money but lose out on long term success, making less money in the long run even if you made a very large amount all at once.

Look at Diablo 3 for example. It made CRAZY short term cash with its design philosophy and its real money auction house. PROBLEM: it screwed/raped the company's brand name here by sacrificing the goal of "Make a good game" for "Make a Game that will sell on brand name and will make large amounts of cash, but has many crippling problems due to its auction house design".

This has ended up more or less taking the diablo name from "worshipped" to "Just another game in people's minds", and rebuilding that trust is not something that can be done overnight.





The same principal applies: They may have made alot of money on princess twilight, but now that the newness has sold off are the kids still going to buy them? No, "twilight with wings" isn't anything special or new anymore, they need to rely on quality to keep sales going.
And honestly Twilight as a character has absolutely gone done the crapper in quality since S3 began.




Hell, look at the comics for another example: the comic staff keeps churning out comics with the expectation that they'll keep selling just because the previous comics were eaten up without putting effort in, but look at the sales numbers: The MLP comics have been CRASHING in sales.

>>36791540
>No, "twilight with wings" isn't anything special or new anymore, they need to rely on quality to keep sales going.

Or McCarthy just has her go Super Saiyan 2. Rest of the mane six get nothing of course.

>>36791540

>I have a feeling this one will end up being quite mean spirited and a take that at those with different views than McCarthy.

I remember you thinking the same things about Princess Twilight Sparkles Kingdom over a year ago, and finding it didn't at all. And I'll say this doesn't look like it will either.

>>36791526

That's going to be one weird strawman considering it'd be dealing with entire communities instead of just "princesses need to be equalized".

You know what I'm thinking?

I'm thinking some people will like the premiere and some people will not.

I'm thinking some of the people that did like the premiere will not like the fact that some people didn't like the premiere and won't like it when those people talk about what they didn't like about it.

I'm thinking some of the people that didn't like the premiere will not like the fact that some people did like the premiere and won't like it when those people talk about what they did like about it.

And yet, the world will still keep turning. And there will still be more pony. As ponies. Not humans. Ponies.

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>>36791543
Well I mean the villain isn't specifically dealing with the main six as their goal, but the mane six are going to be interacting with the villain I assume.

You can't see the villain going on about how Twilicorn is so much more powerful than the rest, and then Twilicorn goes on about how it's okay that they're all weaker than her and the mane six win of course since they're the protagonists? Because given the synopsis it'd fit in with the plot like a fucking glove.

>>36791544
In short, tomorrow the world will spin the same as it always has?

>>36791545

No, because if that was the case, none of the rest of the cast would matter to be turned equal for the villain, and she wouldn't care about entire communities turning. The villain clearly wants everyone to be equalized, Twilight's just a potential feather in the cap in that end due to her political influences.
I see the villain going on about not just Twilight's traits over her friends but also say how Dash is so much faster than everyone, Rarity is so much more generous/good at fashion designing, etc. than the rest of their friends to justify herself. She's going to either guilt trip them all or use ALL of their uniqueness as the reason why she equalizes them ALL. After all, her ideas mean any sort of traits that are not shared by others in a baseline are harmful to friendship, so she's going to eliminate all of them, and all of the cast are unique in that respect.

Similarly, I don't see an end-speech of Twilight alone being "better". I see one of saying how they're all different and good at certain things, and that makes their friendship stronger, not weaker. That's what I believe the moral is going to be, and judging from the previews and the basic guarantee of "curing" that community in the end with them all getting their marks back and (surprise) living together as good friends even better than before, it's the kind of moral that fits the best as well.

>>36791547
You gave more details than I did but that's pretty much what I said. The rest of the mane six have a niche (except they don't all because we've seen Twilicorn do an equivalent of a Sonic Rainboom and joking about how she should join the Wonderbolts), and they use that to justify Twilicorn's power spread being far larger than theirs.

>>36791548

Except that isn't justifying any sort of power spread, it's saying friendship isn't reliant on you all being the same, and being different is a good thing, which applies to all of them.
And it isn't what you said, since you've gone on about the villain strawmanning people disliking a power imbalance when I've said she's barely going to care about Twilight's power as she does the entire worlds. Kind of a weak strawman against one specific character if it's that broad.

>>36791548

I should add, the only feedback I seem to be getting from you from my past post is that if the villain treats all the cast equally as in them all having traits they need to purge instead of ONLY going primarily after Twilight being the only one that matters (which would be approaching that whole strawman concept since as the villain she'd be in the wrong) that it's still.....strawmanning those same people because now it's not addressing a "power spread".

In which case, I'm not sure what you want out of the episode, since what I posted previously wouldn't be mean-spirited in any way, nor strawmanning anything as much as ignoring a perceived problem for some people. Unless you give me something else to go on like how you'd want the episode to go (realistically speaking, no massive changes or "Twilight feels bad permanently/gives her title up/etc) that's really all I can take away from this conversation.

>>36791550
Two motherfucking years and people are still having PTSD over Twilight getting wings.

I think the average rape victim surpasses her trauma in less time.

>>36791549
>>36791550
You're assuming the mane six are going to get equal focus by the villain, even though McCarthy's track record, in general but especially with two-parters, is that Twilicorn is the only important ones.

I'm assuming "Rainbow Dash can fly the fastest except we've seen Twilicorn and Fluttershy both fly incredibly fast" and "Rarity knows how to make dresses" are going to be footnotes because McCarthy doesn't like giving characters that aren't Twilicorn, Cadence/Shining Armor, or characters she created like Shimmer, the spotlight. The villain is going to point out Twilicorn's differences the most because Twilicorn is going to get all the focus in this episode, is my logic.

>>36791553

Again, we both have different ideas of how the episode will go, which I said earlier and gave reason for which is why when I posted this:

>>36791547
and you responded with this:
>>36791548
I said how it didn't make sense.

Based on the previews, I believe it's more likely Twilight isn't the main focus of this one, and that the strengths and differences of the cast, all of them, will be addressed and used for both the villain's motives and the moral at the end, which would not be strawmanning people.
If you don't think it'll go how I detailed in >>36791547 that's fine, but I don't see how that's "pretty much what you said", especially in regards to strawmanning anyone.

>>36791553
>You're assuming the mane six are going to get equal focus by the villain, even though McCarthy's track record

Bro, these two episodes were written by Larson.

And yet here you are chewing out McCarthy because you assume it's written by her.

:)

Give it a rest already. Everyone else stopped whining and doomsaying about TWILEYCURN a long time a go. The fact that you still haven't gotten over your hatred of wings on a cartoon pony only makes you look like a raving lunatic. For the sake of your own sanity, get over it. I hated MMC and I hate the idea of Twilight being an alicorn/princess too, but you don't see me bitching about it two years later.

>>36791555
>Larson.

Oh.

That's not any better since he wrote MMC and tends to scapegoat for McCarthy and Hasbro on his Twitter, so it doesn't change my stance.

>>36791555

While I actually wouldn't be surprised that Larson wrote it due to how the episode seems to be going and on information about McCarthy being busy (on RR I think) and him taking over some duties in the early part of the season, it's not confirmed he did write these iirc. Could be he's simply the editor for a few episodes after this one.

There goes the neighborhood.

>>36791556
My point still stands.

Here you are crying and shitstorming about "McCarthy this, McCarthy that", and she's not even the writer of the episode. You're seeing only what you want to see, and twisting everything around to fit your victim complex, crying that everything is terrible because evil McCarthy and evil Twilicorn.

Get over your victim complex. Get over your hatred of "twilicorn". You've been bitching about it for far too long. I'm not telling you to stop hating it, I'm telling you to stop making a scene and shitstorming about it every chance you get, spewing bile and non-constructive criticism like you just did your past few posts.

It's not healthy to hold a grudge against a cartoon for this long.

>>36791559
>victim complex

All I did was go to /pony/ for the first time in a few months, see the next season was coming up, read the synopsis, and figured it was going to be same shit as it's been since McCarthy's tenure. Larson may be writing the episode but he's still of the same mindset as McCarthy.

It's not a grudge to assume something will continue to be the same imbalance as it's been since McCarthy took over. Larson's been on that train since MMC, I tend to just lump the two together.

>>36791560
This is what I mean when I say "victim complex":

>McCarthy doesn't like giving characters that aren't Twilicorn [...] the spotlight
>Twilicorn is going to get all the focus in this episode
>Or McCarthy just has her go Super Saiyan 2. Rest of the mane six get nothing of course
>I know for a fact this villain is going to be a strawman of the people that dislike McCarthy's power imbalance
>McCarthy's going to use this episode as a "WHY DON'T YOU LOVE TWILICORN YET?" hook.

You're going out of your way to twist everything around into something negative for yourself.

Victim complex.

>It's not a grudge

If crying and shitstorming and chewing out staff over an episode that aired *TWO YEARS* ago is not a grudge, then I don't know what is.

I mean seriously, are you listening to yourself? Are you reading what you're posting? You came into the thread flinging negativity everywhere, crying about evil mccarthy and evil twilicorn and oh god everything is going to suck.

For the sake of your own sanity, cut it out.

>>36791561
This anon knows what's up. He should have a name.

>>36791561
I'm not crying or shitstorming, that would imply I don't expect this to happen every time. For a shitstorm there'd have to be an unexpected development. Twilicorn was certainly unexpected. Here it's par for the course at this point.

Negativity doesn't mean shitstorming.

>>36791542

Twilights kingdom wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but I still noted, and will still note, that the first 10 minutes and then the middle part up to the last 10 minutes (so about the 1-10 and the 30-50 portion) were very grating.

The ending is the reason I find that episode good, because I think the final 10 minutes are excellent and help to make up for the prior issues.



But no, TK wasn't perfect: twilight's song and her wangsting about not having a place in the world made me want to just scream at her to get a live journal, and up to the last 10 minutes it overfocused on twilight like HELL.
If you want to pick an episode that REALLY subverted my expectations, I'd say PTS instead: That's one that I very, very much enjoyed.

>>36791564
You are:

-Coming into the thread claiming that you "know for a fact" that the episode is somehow insulting the audience
-Crying about "omg twilicorn is going to get all the focus"
-Chewing out McCarthy even though she's not even the writer
-Making definitive statements about the episode, claiming all sorts of negative things
-Making passive-aggressive insults toward staff members

Stop it. It's not good for you, and it's disruptive to the board. You can hate McCarthy and "twilicorn" all you want, just do it in a way that isn't spewing bile and stomping your feet like a belligerent child.

Negativity does not equal shitstorming, but hostile statements like "Or McCarthy just has her go Super Saiyan 2. Rest of the mane six get nothing of course" and "I know for a fact this villain is going to be a strawman of the people that dislike McCarthy's power imbalance" ARE shitstorming.

>>36791565

That's the one I had meant. "Kingdom" just sort of got thrown in there and as earlier, I note that what you were saying about expecting mean spirited stuff was what you had also said about Princess Twilight Sparkle, and you were wrong there.

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>>36791566
>Coming into the thread claiming that you "know for a fact" that the episode is somehow insulting the audience

I suppose "fact" is an exaggeration, but I'm completely positive about my prediction. Though I imagine even if I feel I'm right others will feel I'm wrong, since that's how things tend to be.

>Crying about "omg twilicorn is going to get all the focus"

Like she has in S3E01-02, S3E13, S4E01-02, and S4E25-26. It's not a big leap of logic.

>Chewing out McCarthy even though she's not even the writer

She's the executive producer, she decides how the story goes, she's the one who decided this was going to be the topic of the premier. I'm sure Larson's going to help her with her goal just like he did with MMC, but he won't be the only one to blame.

>Making definitive statements about the episode, claiming all sorts of negative things

They're just as definitive as the people claiming the episode will be balanced.

>Making passive-aggressive insults toward staff members

I'm being passive? I thought I was directly stating my dissatisfaction. I mean I guess it's passive in the sense that I wouldn't say it to McCarthy's or Larson's face or anything.

  >>36791568
My point is,

>vid

Stop being a dick about the things you don't like.
Stop crying in non-constructive ways about things that everyone else has moved on from.
Stop bluntly insulting and chewing out the staff over your personal grievances with the show.

Good night.

>>36791569
How am I being any more of a dick than
>just do it in a way that isn't spewing bile and stomping your feet like a belligerent child.

I mean, good night I suppose.

>>36791541

Random post here, but I always though super saiyan 2 as a thing seemed really pointless.

It didn't look visually different from super saiyan 1 and you honestly wouldn't know it was a different super saiyan except they tell you its not just the character being stronger, compared to Super saiyan 1, 3 and 4 which are all visually distinct changes in the individual.



>>36791567

I've seen enough problems flowing from McCarthy's scripts to be pessimistic: Equestria girls for example I still hold up as one of the worst examples of her writing in the series, and TCE too.


Due to various patterns that have emerged, I'm going to remain skeptical until they show that RR and PTS weren't flukes.

>>36791573

That seems pretty silly; you're holding up the first movie and the first (not to mention half) season as a "pattern", but the later movie RR and the latest and biggest season she's done as "flukes"? That doesn't really seem logical from a numbers standpoint, indeed it's pretty backwards thinking, and it definitely takes a very pessimistic outlook to the possible question "has she just gotten better/more used to her role/better with less time constraints like in S3?"

>>36791576

Like I pointed out, Twilight's kingdom showed a severe relapse into the issues I found with her writing style. The last 10 minutes of it being so good are the main reason I hold it up so highly.

I don't think she's done enough to prove she can reliably produce high quality material. Heck, Equestria girls three's Promo material has me losing alot of the enthusiasm I had for it given how hokey some of it sounds.

>>36791573
>>36791577


Also, regardless how pessimistic you feel toward her writing/editing/etc, it's quite a leap to assume she'll write in something mean-spirited. There's a big difference between writing something poorly that happens to offend, and writing something mean-spritied; writing with malicious intent to piss people off or make fun of them. I can't think of any examples of mean-spirited writing in the show, and none aimed at people disliking Twilight. As I said about Princess Twilight Sparkle (the episode), and Twilight's Kingdom, if they were going to do something mean, they would have done it then, and they have not. I don't see them taking any sort of approach toward such writing behavior based on previous episodes of the show, nor have the previews showed any intent to do so as of yet.

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>>36791577

Uhm, you do realize she ISN'T writing EqG3 right? Kind of hard to pin that one on her.

Last edited at Sun, Mar 8th, 2015 22:09

>>36791579

she will still be overseeing and influencing it however; she is still the head honcho of how things get made for FIM/EQG.

>>36791580

Pretty sure she isn't; from what I've heard she's not even going to be editing it.
Also, if you're going to be pessimistic towards things she isn't even writing for, pinning everything bad that she has a hand in while NOT also praising everything good she has a hand in really shows some pretty bad bias.

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>>36791581
Since she's the one that comes up with the overall meta-concepts for seasons (like the keys thing last season), I tend to feel she has a much larger hand in the premieres/finales than other episodes of a season. (since slice of life ones tend to exist in a vaccum outside of season meta-plots)

>>36791582

Ok? Don't really see what that has to do with my point.

>>36791580
So everything that sucks is her fault, and every time that she produces something good is a fluke.

Ok.

>>36791584
>something good
Ha! Funny. Good joke.

>>36791585
>Dragonshy
>GIYC
>Party of One
>Lesson Zero
>Sweet and Elite
>TK

>not something good

>>36791586
I'll give you Party of One. Maybe. I'd be more confident in that if the whole "Pinkie Pie's mane and tail deflate when she's depressed" was ever touched on again...
The rest? Meh, IMO.

>>36791587
Uh, Party of One wasn't even the first time that happened. Unless in your mind Cutie Mark Chronicles "doesn't count" somehow. And it happened again very slightly in Pinkie Pride and a bit more in Maud Pie.

>>36791589
Yeah, I don't recall it happening in either Pinkie Pride or Maud Pie. But now that you mention it, I do recall it happening in CM Chronicals. Don't know if I would consider that a moment more than an origin of the poofy mane.

>>36791590
True, but the point is that the symbolism is still the same.

And here's the ones I was talking about. It's more subtle but still the same idea.

>>36791591
Oh come on, that's droop at best. I'm talking straight up straight down deflating. Flat like Maud's.

>>36791592
That's critical mass of deflation. Those two instances are not critical mass.

>>36791592

>if the whole "Pinkie Pie's mane and tail deflate when she's depressed" was ever touched on again...

That is touching on it though imo. The full out flat and greyed color like in PoO is Pinkie at her absolute most depressed, and these are an in-between. It isn't flat out deflated but it's obviously looking like a balloon with a lot of air let out of it. If her hair got completely deflated every time she got upset, it'd be hard to tell if she was always THAT crushed like in PoO, or if there were degrees of depression. These lesser deflated parts still connect with the idea of her sadness and her hair "letting air out" like a balloon while also showing she's not as badly upset as in PoO (her lowest point post rock-farm) but still emotionally hurt.

>>36791584

The bad she produced far outweight any good, and she'll need to do more than a couple good works to make up for her bad works.

Think of it this way 441: If katie cook made a good comic in the next arc, you'd probably want more than 1 or 2 before you'd declare her as being back on track, correct?
Think of it that way way here, I need a good AAA effort rather than just "above acceptable" before I'll give Mccarthy the benefit of the doubt.



Heck, you haven't even watched RR due to how bad EQG was, have you?

>>36791595
>Think of it this way 441: If katie cook made a good comic in the next arc, you'd probably want more than 1 or 2 before you'd declare her as being back on track, correct?
Well instead of a string of comics not liked then followed by 1 or 2 good comics in your example, aren't you talking about a half season and movie that you didn't like, compared to a full season that you consider your second favorite out of four and a movie you did enjoy?

>>36791593
Well, I'm talking about critical mass, then. Sheesh.

>>36791595
Full body of work from McCarthy:

Dragonshy
Call of the Cutie
Green Isn't Your Color
Party of One
Lesson Zero
Sweet and Elite
Hearts and Hooves Day
A Canterlot Wedding
The Crystal Empire
Princess Twilight Sparkle
Power Ponies
Three's a Crowd
Inspiration Manifestation
Twilight's Kingdom
Equestria Girls
Rainbow Rocks

Good: 14

Bad: 3

Yes, the bad outweighs the good so much that there is almost five times more good episodes than bad episodes under her belt.

Also, McCarthy didn't write the comic that killed Celestia for me.

Your move.

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  "If you have good MAGIC skills... you can use the map to do other things..."
-Meghan McCarthy

You may have heard ponies talking about various places around Equestria and wondered "what's that place like?". Well, we're going there in season 5.
-Hasbro goon

The map summons the ponies by making their cutie marks light up and vibrate (giggity)

>>36791599

Sweetie Belle auditioning her singing in front of judges? I like where this is going.

All aboard the fanservice train!

>>36791601

>>36791600
Rumor has it, this is the season that the CMC either make great strides towards their respective cutie marks or ultimately get them.
Given the toy theme of the season is "Cutie Mark Magic", I can see this happening.

Just disappointed the Mane 6 seem to be ditching Ponyville for the majority of the season in favor of "epic adventure quests".

>>36791604

I'm not sure about "majority". At the very very most I'd guess half, but I think something like 6-8 episodes not including the premiere/finale is more reasonable.

>>36791604
>Rumor has it, this is the season that the CMC either make great strides towards their respective cutie marks or ultimately get them.

People say that every season.

But yes, if any season, it would be this one, I guess.

>Just disappointed the Main 6 seem to be ditching Ponyville for the majority of the season in favor of "epic adventure quests".

There's still no clear indication that a "majority" of the season will be "main6 going off somewhere that's not Ponyville".

Having multiple episodes be "the map tells them to go somewhere and fix a friendship problem" would get repetitive and predictable very fast.

>>36791606
>>36791605
Oh, no doubt there will be some episodes taking place in Ponyville. The mane 6's mapquest isn't a mobile app... yet...
It's just the way Hasbro goon said "this opens up the world in a whole new way that we never could explore before" that makes me think that Ponyville is mostly going to take a back-seat to various locale changes.
CMC eps will probably be firmly rooted in Ponyville, though.

>>36791599

Hmm....I know that bit about the map and magic makes me immediately think of Twilight but...I think it would be interesting if another character had an idea of how to unlock the map for other things Celestia/Luna are obvious candidates, Discord too, maybe even some new character that appears this season.

>>36791607

I took it to just mean the cast really haven't had much of an excuse to visit multiple far out/oversea locations as of yet, but this map gives them an opportunity while still being vague of what to expect, problem-wise. Like if they went to even just 5 totally new areas like a gryphon kingdom, zebra lands, dragon lands, etc, that'd fit well with his statement of opening up the world more without it being every other episode.

>>36791609
Eh, I still feel like we're going to get "road trip overload" this season...

>>36791610
And I still feel like we're going to get "popular background pony overload" this season.

>>36791599

well it shows starlight glimmer running from the other 3 ponies with an angry look on her face and her cutie mark still there.

the idea that Starlight's talent made the others upset at her and they drove her away is seeming more and more likely for her reason for villainy.

alternatively, that's when she was about to start her Equality binge and she's stolen something (that wand?) and the others are chasing after her for that reason.


>>36791601

And one of them is her sister; there's a good reason we you're generally disqualified if your family is part of the officials of most contests XD

>>36791596
>>36791598
>I will respond on my next break, not enough time now >.<

>>36791612
Or that takes place after they've found a way to return their cutie marks, and Starlight's trying to prepare some desperate retaliation.

>>36791613

Eh, i don't know, I kind of figure that image from >>36791613 might be a lead up to the "It's a trap!" scene instead.


>>36791596

I still require more than what's been put forward before I will give her my benefit of the doubt. Trust in someone's work quality is easily lost and hard to build up.

If she gives me a good showing, I will change my view: but I'll need a second decent season here to make up for S3. Once is luck twice is skil as it were.

>>36791598
Hearts and hooves day was Meh. I did not find Canterlot wedding to be a good Finale apart from Chrysalis and the changelings, and I despised shining armor and Cadence (and went on about that very vocally when it first aired, to excessive degrees). Three's a crowd wasn't anything spectacular though I will admit it surprised me.

The second half of her works are very much downhill from her early works there and its not a shining example of success.

>>36791598
Good: 3
Meh: 4
Bad: 9

>>36791618
The it's a trap scene seems like it would be right before everyone loses their cutie marks. They seem to be at the mountains when they regain their cutie marks, and a way to return cutie marks must have been found before >>36791613 seeing as how we've got these four other ponies that have regained their cutie marks.

>>36791598
Good: 14
Bad: 3

I'd tally that a bit differently.

Good: Dragonshy, Green Isn't Your Color, Party of One, Lesson Zero, Sweet and Elite, Hearts and Hooves Day, A Canterlot Wedding, Power Ponies = 8 x 22 = 176 minutes of down-home horse-meaty goodness. Mmm-mm.

Meh: The Crystal Empire, Call of the Cutie, Princess Twilight Sparkle, Three's a Crowd, Inspiration Manifestation, Twilight's Kingdom = 8 x 22 = 176 minutes of children's television. Yawn.

The Horror: Equestria Girls, Rainbow Rocks = 72 + 75 = 147 minutes of emesis. Blaaaarch. These two so-called movies soured me on the whole show - - though not, I think, as sourly sour as "Reflections" soured you.

Kind of a wash, on balance.

>>36791624
Comparing those two 72-minute abominations in the same groups as 22-minute episodes is a bit unfair, I'd say. Considering her S1/S2 episodes, I refuse to believe McCarthy herself wrote those without any external (corporate focus group) influence.

Also, all of the S4 episodes were written by another writer + McCarthy, whereas the S1/S2 episodes were just McCarthy. Take that for what you will, I'm not entirely sure what it should count for.

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  >>36791625
>the S4 episodes were written by another writer + McCarthy

Good point. A camel is a pony episode made by a committee.

Oh, are we doing this? Welp here we go:

Good: Dragonshy, Green Isn't Your Color, Party of One, Lesson Zero
Meh: Call of the Cutie, Sweet and Elite, Hearts and Hooves Day, The Crystal Empire, Princess Twilight Sparkle, Power Ponies, Three's a Crowd, Inspiration Manifestation, Twilight's Kingdom
Bad: Equestria Girls, Rainbow Rocks
KILL US KILL US DO IT NOW: A Canterlot Wedding

>>36791621

Hmm. Yeah, I guess that looks more in line with the images so far.
Though that makes it seem like they'll get their cutie marks back alot sooner than I figured they would, I would have thought it wouldn't be till the final confrontation with the villain that they get their cutie marks back.


I wonder how long they'll be without their marks then.

  >>36791601
So this will be a singing contest, where rarity is part of the judges?

and maybe they acuse sweetie belle of being corrupt?

or sweetie belle is having troubles concentrating because she get nervious of singing in front of rarity and rarity will be judging her?

or rarity will think she have to be really strict and act like she dont like it because is her sister and would look wrong to like it....

She is in that place where that angry judge always sit.

And wondering if they will try to go full on some kind of reference to this kinds of shows, or they will make it timeless.