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36794010 No. 36794010
Twilicorn ruined the show for me.

I went into S4 with an open mind, but I just couldn't like it. Every time Twilicorn appears on screen, I cringe a little. It's just so... stupid and pointless, you know? A constant reminder of the crap they're willing to pull to advertise their toys, disregarding how it fits (or doesn't fit) into the actual show.

The way they treated Twilight's friends in the finale really left a sour taste in my mouth... and the castle was like Twilicorn all over again. I started watching originally because the show used to be better than this. The train is meh, Cadence barely appears (and when she does she actually does stuff), but Twilicorn and the castle are being pushed into our faces all the time.

I can't get myself to watch S5, even though I'm still (somewhat) involved in the community. I'd like to be excited again but just thinking about it makes me sad. Help me rekindle the flames, guys.

TL;DR I'm disillusioned with the direction the show has taken, need cheering up. How do you manage to ignore all the bad and focus on the good? Is that even a healthy thing to do?
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Do you want me to cheer you up or do you want me to tell you the truth? Well, before I do either let me level with you and tell you that Season 4 was not a winner with me, either. Yes, Alicorn Twilight played a part in that, but there were several reasons that were independent of Sparks gaining Wings, a longer horn and getting taller.

With all of that being said, I'm just going to level with you. I think it is healthy to be disillusioned with the show, even if it my biased opinion. Better off that than trying to make yourself feel happy with something that obviously doesn't make you happy.

In all honesty, it would be unhealthy for you to come back into the show right now, despite the Season Premier being the best one since Return of Harmony. Wait until the Summer and then try watching Season 5 on a binge. That'll tell you where you are at better than anything could.

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>> No. 36794012
that's easy - u stop watching "them" and start watching the show
>> No. 36794014
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It sounds like you're too far gone to be "cheered up" simply by talking to you.

Nobody's forcing you to watch this show. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Forcing yourself to do something you don't like is not healthy.

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>> No. 36794061
Anyone that says "Twilicorn" at this point is probably too gone to ever enjoy it ever again.
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>>36794011
>>36794014
Yeah, skipping this season seems reasonable. It just feels awkward with all this HYPE around me. I was wondering if I should give it a chance... but I probably wouldn't enjoy it no matter what. It's a shame, really.

>>36794012
What?

>>36794061
y-you too
>> No. 36794143
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>Twilicorn ruined the show for me.


so leave
>> No. 36794150
>>36794143
Rude.
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>>36794150
oh well

am I wrong? If you can't help but cringe whenever you see twilicorn you are better off leaving cause she isnt going anywhere.

either deal wth it ot gtfo cause you will just make yourself miserable
>> No. 36794156
Equestria Girls ruined it for me.

it is all happy, im confuse for twilicorn but im not on complete denny

then Equestria Girls come and ruin the rest of the year for me

then S4 came, and it was mostly good

then Rainbow Rocks is the end and the rest of the year is about fucking rainbow rocks

then we get S5, it will be mostly good, then we will have the Equestria Girls 3 movie, and it will be ruin again, and then it will be a hiatus all mad again.

i cant live a fucking hiatus happy since the Equestria Girl shit.

and that sad because i think most of the Normal ponies episodes are good or fine, sure some are shallow marketing tools more than nothing, but that isnt that bad.
>> No. 36794167
>>36794010
If it helps, the season 5 premiere is the first two-parter that ISN'T about Twilight. It's more of a ensemble story than ever before, with every member of the group given something to do. And the member of the Mane Six who ends up saving the day isn't Twi.

It might mean that they're pivoting away from MLP being about Twilight's development and making it more about the mane 6 as a group. They've all got equal seats in the castle and the Cutie Map only activates when ALL of them are there.

Of course the episode after the two-parter was all about Twilight and her castle, but it would be kind of cheap not to do at least one story about her adjusting to the new setting.

And keep in mind that the show has always been about selling toys. Twilight was a toy long before she had wings. Just roll with it, every cartoon has to make money somehow.
>> No. 36794169
>>36794156
Have you tried not watching Equestria Girls.

I have done it, so it must be possible.
>> No. 36794172
>>36794169
i tried, but it doesnt work that well.

specially for how people claim it is suppose to be super master piece that reflect greatness....

and i think not...
>> No. 36794215
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Ah yes, I remember when I was too naive to understand that I can ruin anything for myself by getting hung up on irrelevant details. Good times. Good times.

Ah, who am I kidding, I still do this to myself. For example, I can barely touch most computer games because I remember previous computer games I burned out from, see the parts I came to hate in new games, and consequently prejudge the snot out of new games to the point where I can't enjoy myself. If that ain't ruining my own fun by getting hung up on irrelevant details, what is?

But at least I was open-minded enough to be able to handle Twilicorn when it happened. So I'm calling that progress. Keep working at it, OP.

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>> No. 36794216
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Actually, here's some hints on why Twilicorn is an "irrelevant detail."

>I just couldn't like it. Every time Twilicorn appears on screen, I cringe a little.
Why?

>It's just so... stupid and pointless, you know?
No, I don't know. Explain it to me.

>A constant reminder of the crap they're willing to pull to advertise their toys, disregarding how it fits (or doesn't fit) into the actual show.
Irrelevant because you're extrapolating your fears of toyability into the show. Disregarding that, what's your problem now?

>The way they treated Twilight's friends in the finale really left a sour taste in my mouth
The only legit complaint I'm seeing in your entire post. However, it only happened that way because they were short on time and had to cram a lot in a single 22 minute episode. If it were a two-parter, maybe they'd have had more reaction shots to have their character handled better than being all accepting. Fortunately, they made up for it somewhat over the course of S4.

>The train is meh, Cadence barely appears (and when she does she actually does stuff
What does this have to do with what now?

>Twilicorn and the castle are being pushed into our faces all the time.
We spent the entire S4 wondering what was in the box. We damn well BETTER get some time with the castle.

>How do you manage to ignore all the bad and focus on the good? Is that even a healthy thing to do?
Well, it's a damn sight healthier than obsessing over why DHX/Hasbro couldn't present your candy-colored magical talking ponies the way you think they ought to have been presented, so sit back, take a deep breath, and remind yourself of the MST3K motto.

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>> No. 36794217
>>36794167
>If it helps, the season 5 premiere is the first two-parter that ISN'T about Twilight. It's more of a ensemble story than ever before, with every member of the group given something to do. And the member of the Mane Six who ends up saving the day isn't Twi.

LOLWUT.
The episode constantly touches on Twilight's role as a princess, her destiny to spread friendship, and the villain obsesses nonstop about Twilight being an alicorn.
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>>36794217
>Twilight's role as a princess, her destiny to spread friendship,
They only really bring up that up at the beginning and and the end. Throughout the episode, they refer to the reason why they're there is that the map sent them there, not just Twilight.

>and the villain obsesses nonstop about Twilight being an alicorn
She only brings up Twilight being an alicorn once, and that's just to confirm that she's a princess. And given the motives she's shown, no sign of desiring power so much as just spreading her equality cause, it's more likely the reason why she's interested in her being a princess is just a means of gaining more attention and support.
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>>36794217
>>36794220
>Twilight Sparkle has become a princess, this changes everything, ruined forever!
>Twilight Sparkle has become a princess, this didn't change anything, ruined forever!
See the problem there? They had to make a choice about whether her becoming a princess was going to change anything, and they landed on, "Yes." So it's going to come up. It needs to.

Not only that, but considering we're early into Season 5 and the big reveal of Season 4 was that Twilight Sparkle had the epiphany of what kind of princess she was, the timing is right for it to come up now. Heck, maybe even the entire season, if she's still wrapping her head around what being a princess of friendship really means.

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>> No. 36794225
>>36794223
her being a princess wouldn't neccessarily have to dictate the plot of premiers or adventure episodes, only her own episodes. The fact that she overshadows the plot in pretty much everything (like how she would show up to give a speech to the other six at the end of alot of the key episodes to solve everything) is taking that far more than just addressing her becoming a princess.
We don't have each premier revolve around Rainbow dash becoming a wonderbolt recruit after all, despite moving that forward.

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>>36794225
True, but then, Rainbow Dash's special talent and princess role isn't in the title of the show, either. Magic. Friendship. Bam.

What kind of surprises me about a lot of people who can't get over Twilicorn is they don't seem to realize this show put Twilight Sparkle front and center since season 1, episode 1. She's the main primary protagonist. The other mane six are also primary protagonists, and they're pretty important because the theme of the show is about friendship, after all. This will never be Dragonball Z, Twilight Sparkle will never go super saiyan and leave the rest of them behind, she needs her friends to be what she is, that's just the kind of show this is.

That said, almost invariably whenever some pony needed to call the shot and settle the conflict, it was Twilight Sparkle. Every season premiere. Every season finale. Nearly every episode where the mane six were involved to an equal degree. The more obvious exceptions being the rare episode that focused on another member of the mane six. This is because Twilight Sparkle's whole shtick, and the shtick of the show, is that a person (or pony) can be great with a little help of their friends, and Twilight Sparkle just happens to be the center of this little friend circle, that's it.

>But I don't think that's fair for <non-Twilight Sparkle pony>
Well, you're the only one worried about that, because I'm pretty sure <non-Twilight Sparkle pony> is perfectly fine with it. They don't consider themselves lesser. Even the writers don't consider them lesser, too, as the greatness of each of the mane six is a necessary component in Twilight Sparkle's greatness. In Return To Harmony, how well do you think she could have handled Discord alone? The rest of the mane six may be playing support protagonists, but they're still essential. This idea of promoting <non-Twilight Sparkle pony> out of fairness is only a thorn in your enjoyment of the show, it doesn't hold any logical sense to have it.

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>>36794225
>like how she would show up to give a speech to the other six at the end of alot of the key episodes to solve everything
When did she give a speech in a key episode that solved everything, much less a lot of them? The closest I can think of is her talking to Dash, but what helped Dash make a decision in the end wasn't Twilight, it was talking to Soarin.
>> No. 36794250
>>36794233
Pretty much as soon as Twilight gave Dash her big friendship speech, she immediately realized how she was wrong and corrected things in virtually the next scene.
Castlemania she was the one who solved all the others problems and told them how not to be afraid of the castle.
Trade ya, Twilight was the one who the entire decision about solving the situation with fluttershy came down to.
Both the premier and the finale of Season 4 revolved around twilight and her decisions.
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>>36794216

>It's just so... stupid and pointless, you know?
>No, I don't know. Explain it to me.
Magical Mystery Cure fucking sucked. It literally has no redeeming qualities.
Twilight's ascension had no buildup at all, so we got MMC to explain it... which it didn't.
Then we had S4 where the show staff started backpedalling so hard they could've gone up the Niagara. The result was Twilight's status being underplayed and not utilised basically ever.
Most episodes since S3 would be completely the same without Twilight being a princess. At worst a few of them would need to change one or two lines.
Which makes it blatantly obvious that the only reason they did Twilicorn is because Hasbro forced them, and I'm reminded of this fact every time I see her.
Then at the end of S4 we again get some vague exposition in the last 2 minutes of the ENTIRE SEASON about what Twilight's role is. That's one whole season AFTER she became a princess, and also had 0 buildup.
And even her new purpose doesn't actually require her to be a princess, making the whole thing stupid.
We're in the second season since it happened and the show is still in full damage control mode trying to contain the fallout... and it's failing.

I'm wracking my brain here trying to think of ONE single instance when Twilight being a princess was essential to the plot. It's like as if the staff made her a princess without knowing what to do with her... oh wait.

>A constant reminder of the crap they're willing to pull to advertise their toys, disregarding how it fits (or doesn't fit) into the actual show.
>Irrelevant because you're extrapolating your fears of toyability into the show. Disregarding that, what's your problem now?
It's not irrelevant because they aren't "fears." They ARE doing it. The entirety of S3 revolved around Twilicorn, and it was awful.
S4 was also all about backpedalling on Twilicorn, and it was worse for it.
Then we got the castle, and now we're getting a season backpedalling on that. (Not to mention it's fucking ugly.)
Don't forget that the sole reason that the box was ever a thing was so they could advertise Rainbow Power (and get the castle).

Nothing they're doing at this point is happening because the show needs it. Things happen solely to add new toys or advertise existing ones.

>they were short on time and had to cram a lot in a single 22 minute episode. If it were a two-parter, maybe they'd have had more reaction shots to have their character handled better than being all accepting. Fortunately, they made up for it somewhat over the course of S4.
I was talking about the finale of S4. So no, they didn't.

>The train is meh, Cadence barely appears (and when she does she actually does stuff)
>What does this have to do with what now?
It's a pattern of toy ads seeping deeper into the show. They were relatively easy to ignore before, now they're not.

>We spent the entire S4 wondering what was in the box. We damn well BETTER get some time with the castle.
What's in the box? Would you have guessed "a castle in Ponyville"? It's a last-minute ass-pull, obviously done not because they wanted to but because they had to. It happened with Cadence, it happened with Twilicorn, it happened with the castle... notice a pattern?

They're injecting useless garbage into the show, usually in the last 5 minutes of a season, and then spending the next season trying to justify it somehow. This is not good.

>Well, it's a damn sight healthier than obsessing over why DHX/Hasbro couldn't present your candy-colored magical talking ponies the way you think they ought to have been presented, so sit back, take a deep breath, and remind yourself of the MST3K motto.
The thing that made the show great when it started was that it used to be above shameless toyeticness. It set the bar high and cleared it. Now it's been knocking it down for several seasons in a row, and it's getting embarrassing.
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>>36794250
Okay, first off you went from "alot of the key episodes" to just several episodes in general in season 4.
>Pretty much as soon as Twilight gave Dash her big friendship speech, she immediately realized how she was wrong and corrected things in virtually the next scene.
I just pointed out that it wasn't what Twilight said that made Dash make the right choice. It was talking to Soarin, learning that he was good to go but Spitfire and Fleetfoot said they got someone else, and him pointing out that now neither of their home towns will qualify with the both of them out that gives Dash her rainbow moment, and that's what makes her come back.

>Trade ya, Twilight was the one who the entire decision about solving the situation with fluttershy came down to.
Except she was tied to what the rules said and didn't have any personal choice of her own, and with the rules it was only able to be overturned if the Daring Do collector changed her mind. And she did, but not from a speech by Twilight, but by a speech by Rainbow Dash.

>Both the premier and the finale of Season 4 revolved around twilight and her decisions.
They kind of were her episodes, particularly the finale being her key episode.
>> No. 36794255
>>36794252
>Most episodes since S3 would be completely the same without Twilight being a princess.
Fuck, I meant S4.
>> No. 36794275
I couldn't believe so few others didn't see it happening. And even denying that it would. It's Hasbro's way, and one of the major epic episodes - can't remember specifically but I think it was The Crystal Empire - even subtly hinted at it.

I'm only half-joking when I say this: I bet by the show's end, all the Mane Six will be princesses.
>> No. 36794282
>>36794275
People have been calling it since episode 1, and it became really obvious in S3. But that was only because we're not children and most of us are reasonably genre savvy.

There was close to nothing in the show itself indicating it was going to happen. Twi had the crown thingy, and was a student of Celestia... and that's about it.

There was no indication that Equestria needed a new princess (and it really didn't, as evidenced by how useless her status has been ever since), and the spell in MMC had nothing to do with wings or princesshood either.

It just kinda happened.
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>>36794252
I think you need to bear in mind that, if you truly have a goal of getting over Twilicorn, you need to stop coming up with reasons against her, and start coming up with reasons for her.

With sentences like...
>I'm wracking my brain here trying to think of ONE single instance when Twilight being a princess was essential to the plot
...you might think you're already doing that. But the thing is, the writers more or less deliberately came up with tons of reasons why Twilight being a princess was essential to any given plot. So in order for that to be true, you are subconsciously hand-waving those reasons because you don't want to accept Twilicorn.

I look down those reasons you give here, they're not without validity, but the thing is, you've chosen the half-empty glass interpretation. Try the half-full glass interpretation. Opposite side of the same coin, but Twilicorn works on that side.

If you were expecting me to have a debate about it, you've not only chosen the wrong guy for that (I really don't do debates on the Internet anymore), you've basically forgot your original purpose was to try to like Twilicorn enough to enjoy the show, so debating against that is just digging in so you can't.

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>> No. 36794469
>>36794335
>the writers more or less deliberately came up with tons of reasons why Twilight being a princess was essential to any given plot.

Name one.
>> No. 36794478
>>36794469
Princesshood is her Graduate/Doctoral Degree.

Selling toys. Yes it is a show designed to sell toys first, therefore plots which focus on being able to sell toys logically precede writing a good show.

She can't inherently learn infinite "introductory" lessons of friendship, once she has enough there should be some ascension - in this case we kinda jump straight to godhood, but still. At least we get to see her in the "middle management" of friendship, though she hasn't begun coordinating and distributing execution of friendship to outside entities. Celestia does though, so we may have to wait until there's an episode where she's unavailable.

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>>36794478
Yeah, these reasons are always applicable and are reason enough. However...

>>36794469
Since all you're asking me to do is describe how the writer's fit Twilight Sparkle being a princess into the plot (whether you choose to acknowledge it or not) I'm pretty sure I can come up with a reason in every episode in which her being a princess had significance at all.

S03E13 - Magical Mystery Cure: Twilight Sparkle became a princess because, in the name of restoring her friends, she had made a major step in mastery of her special talent (magic) and this was major enough that it required her ascension into an alicorn form, and alicorns are princesses.

S04E01 - S04E02 - Princess Twilight Sparkle: It's right there in the title. Anyway, this entire two-parter is all about Twilight Sparkle trying to figure out what to do as a princess while getting tied up in an old scheme of Discord's on the way, so if you take out the fact she's a princess the episodes basically have no impetus.

S04E03 - Castle Mane-ia: Twilight Sparkle goes to raid Luna and Celestia's old castle because, as a princess, she doesn't need to ask permission first. Also, I think Celestia let her fellow princess know she might find some of their old secrets there to help discover what the chest was about.

S04E04 - S04E06: Not Twilight Sparkle focused episodes. In these, I am not saying you can't find general background reasons why Twilight Sparkle was a princess is significant to the plot, but it was off-focus enough that the writers didn't have any need to touch directly upon it.

S04E07 - Bats!: Twilight Sparkle would appear to have underestimated the effectiveness of her new alicorn powers.

S04E08- - S04E10: Not Twilight Sparkle centric episodes.

S04E11 - Three's A Crowd: Twilight Sparkle being a princess has a lot to do with with both Cadence and Discoard are there. Cadence because Twilight Sparkle is not only her sister-in-law, but a fellow princess (Twilight always did hobnob with royalty). Discord because he could not resist testing the princess of friendship.

S04E12 - S04E14: Not Twilight Sparkle centric episodes.

S04E15 - Twilight Time: An episode where Twilight Sparkle being a princess drove Apple Bloom's entire class to try to get closer to her.

S04E16 - It Ain't Easy Beign Breezies: Fluttershy centric, but I wonder if Twilight Sparkle would have been able to perform that polymorph spell as a unicorn?

S04E17 - S04E20 - Not Twilight Sparkle centric.

S04E21 - Testing Testing 1,2,3: It'd be awfully hard for Twilight Sparkle to pull off that scene where she's flying side-by-side with Rainbow Dash without those wings.

S04E22 - Trade Ya!: Twilight Sparkle is actually forced to hold court as a princess as the one who settles trade disputes at the Rainbow F alls Traders Exchange.

S04E23 - Not Twilight Sparkle centric.

S04E24 - Equestria Games: Twilight Sparkle sitting right there in the royalty box, her assistant being designated the official torch lighter.

S04E25 - S04E26 - Twilight's Kingdom: Do I really need to go into this one? It basically nailed down Twilight Sparkle's princess props. Her being a princess was the main pillar in which the entire episode rest.

S05E01 - S05E02 - The Cutie Map: Starlight makes a HUGE deal out of Twilight Sparkle being a princess but, even if she didn't, the only reason why Twilight Sparkle was there in the first place was as her new duties as Princess of Friendship, so again: main pillar.

S05E03 - Castle Sweet Castle: The whole reason she even lives in a castle at Ponyville has a lot to do with her being a princess.
>> No. 36794495
>>36794478
>Princesshood is her Graduate/Doctoral Degree.
And you don't think that's completely silly?

>Selling toys. Yes it is a show designed to sell toys first, therefore plots which focus on being able to sell toys logically precede writing a good show.
>being able to sell toys logically precede writing a good show.
This isn't helping.

>She can't inherently learn infinite "introductory" lessons of friendship, once she has enough there should be some ascension - in this case we kinda jump straight to godhood, but still.
Again, this is just plain silly. There's no reason that she needs to be a princess to learn "more" friendship or to spread it. Case in point: her friends have been doing it all along without any special titles. The "ascension" itself was also completely nonsensical.
>> No. 36794497
>>36794494

>S03E13 ... she had made a major step in mastery of her special talent (magic) and this was major enough that it required her ascension into an alicorn form
>required
Twilight fixed everything before she became an alicorn; becoming one had no bearing on the episode.

>S04E01 - S04E02 ... Twilight Sparkle trying to figure out what to do as a princess
Aren't we all?
>if you take out the fact she's a princess the episodes basically have no impetus.
That's flat-out not true. Discord's scheme threatens all of Equestria; the episodes are about solving that problem. If Twilight wasn't a princess, at most you'd have to remove that one 2-minute scene where she leaves her friends, then decides to go back after all.

>S04E03 ... as a princess, she doesn't need to ask permission first.
She never had to.
>Also, I think Celestia let her fellow princess know she might find some of their old secrets there to help discover what the chest was about.
Speculation. And this is not at all relevant to her princesshood.

>S04E07 ... her new alicorn powers.
There is nothing to suggest that her power grew at all as a result of her ascension. She even used "alicorn magic" before she became one (S03E01-2). She's also cast (and miscast) massive-level spells before (the paraspite episode and the Want It/Need It spell).

>S04E11 - Three's A Crowd: Twilight Sparkle being a princess has a lot to do with with both Cadence and Discoard are there.
Cadence specifically wanted to spend time with Twilight to get AWAY from princess business, and Twilight also didn't greet her as a princess.
>Discord because he could not resist testing the princess of friendship.
Twilight has always been Celestia's #1 Friendship Student, and the one to thwart Discord multiple times. I think that makes her special enough to him already.

>S04E15 - Twilight Time: An episode where Twilight Sparkle being a princess drove Apple Bloom's entire class to try to get closer to her.
This is the only episode I can think of that would need significant change. I'll give you this one. (Though the fact that AB is friends with Twilight "Pony Jesus" Sparkle could easily be reason enough for everything that happens, even sans princesshood.)

>S04E16 ... I wonder if Twilight Sparkle would have been able to perform that polymorph spell as a unicorn?
There is nothing to suggest otherwise.

>S04E21 - Testing Testing 1,2,3: It'd be awfully hard for Twilight Sparkle to pull off that scene where she's flying side-by-side with Rainbow Dash without those wings.
I suppose. That's still just the wings, not her being a princess, though. If Twilight's destiny was to grow wings just so Rainbow could pass a test that one time, well... that's just awful.

>S04E22 - Trade Ya!: Twilight Sparkle is actually forced to hold court as a princess as the one who settles trade disputes at the Rainbow F alls Traders Exchange.
A power with which she did nothing. Seriously, her role could've been filled by literally anyone with a rulebook.

>S04E24 - Equestria Games: Twilight Sparkle sitting right there in the royalty box
This is completely irrelevant to the plot.
>her assistant being designated the official torch lighter.
Spike was chosen not because he's Twilight's assistant. That's insulting if anything. He was chosen because he saved the damn place.

>S04E25 - S04E26 ... Her being a princess was the main pillar in which the entire episode rest.
Umm, no? I don't see what would've changed if she wasn't a princess. If anything, it would've helped alleviate a few of the plot holes.

>S05E01 - S05E02 ... Starlight makes a HUGE deal out of Twilight Sparkle being a princess
It would be weird if she didn't. Still, nothing would change if Twilight wasn't a princess.
>Twilight Sparkle was there in the first place was as her new duties as Princess of Friendship
She was there because she realised she wants to spread friendship across Equestria. You don't have to be a princess to do that. Look at her friends.

If Twilight had never become a princess, the resulting change would be negligible. In fact, it would've helped the show overall because then it wouldn't have had to spend an entire season trying to justify it. I mean, Twilight Time, really?

This whole "become princess now, find purpose a season later" thing reeks of awful writing.
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>>36794495
>>36794497
Honestly, if you're just going to keep arguing why you shouldn't accept any given reason why Twilight Sparkle is an alicorn, I don't know how you expect to ever get over this Twilicorn hangup of yours.

I am not going to riposte every one of those points because it's a waste of energy in the wrong direction. This could never be a debate because the issue on the table is whether or not you can accept Twilicorn. Some people can accept it, some people don't: debate over. You wanna come over to this side, you're going to have to step out from behind your podium.

This is MLP:FIM, a work of fiction where the imagination has such overwhelming bearing that you might as well accept any given reason can be rewritten as plausible. "Death of the author [en.wikipedia.org] " is not working in your favor here.

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>> No. 36794601
>>36794217
"Constantly?" It's mentioned like three times in 45 minutes, and mostly just used as a plot device to explain why Starlight wants to equalize the Mane Six so badly. If Twi hadn't been a princess, she would have probably just said "Oh, this is my chance to get Celestia's favorite student!" and the rest of the episode would have been the same.
>> No. 36794616
>>36794601
For Alicorn Nothingwrong, three is three times too many.
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I lived through the wait for s2 and the unparalleled hype and mystery the show still had back then. After that shit I'm just taking the show as it is. We're never going to have a slate blank enough to not have little stuff to sweat anymore, not until the inevitable gen 4 reboot or gen 5 show rolls around with a new universe and/or cast.

The castle is worse than Twilight being an alicorn, IMO. Twilight didn't have time to grow the right way, but that is understandable because her hero's journey into alicorndom is something you could easily write some Fallout: Equestria length story about if you wanted to do it RIGHT. The show has never really had the platform to do that, it's not meant to do that.

The castle on the other hand is just gaudy toyset shit that doesn't fit in Ponyville. It screams how much it doesn't fit in Ponyville at you constantly whenever you look at the crystal abortion. Some suit cunt with no sense of aesthetics has got to be behind that one.

Both of these things can be salvaged, though. Castle could go through anything to make it more earthy and Ponyville-esque ala pic related. Twilight can be forced into a role she wasn't ready for and retroactively have it be made to fit by new trials in the upcoming eps. The setting still has a lot of elasticity, whether or not it's utilized as it could be.

Ultimately we have to leave our (if no one reciprocates I'd also accept 'my') dreams of a fifteen hour long Silmarilion-scope epic about Purplesmart becoming a grown ass mare in the past.
>> No. 36794637
Someone should make a broken down, shitty playset of Luna and Celestia's castle.
>> No. 36795004
>>36794637
I'd love to see them try. It'd be the pointiest princess castle playset ever.
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>> No. 36795020
>>36795005
That's Celestia's castle. I want the old one they had to fix up. It should even come with a psychotic Midas fashion book and organ
>> No. 36795133
>>36794501
Twilicorn's very presence is hurting the show.

Why should I "accept" it rather than try to find some good in it? The reasons you've given for Twilicorn being important are either flat-out wrong (like the idea about non-princesses needing permission to enter the old castle) or headcanon (about Twilight's magic levels).

I was wondering if there was anything I missed.
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>>36795005
Does it come with Spike and that Filly?
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