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This thread is meant for discussing impressions on episode 503, Castle Sweet Castle, written by Joanna Lewis & Kristine Songco, during and after it airs.

Be mindful of saying spoilers before they show up on TV. Until then, keep that sort of stuff in the Anticipation Thread.
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>> No. 36794454
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>>everypony

listen everypony - twilight's castle is a tree. that's made out of crystal. you can't get anymore awesome than that. trees are awesome. crystals are awesome. but a crystal tree is epic. how can somepony not see this, especially ponies who prefer organic trees: organic trees are awesome, but an organic crystal tree is at least 20% cooler.

and as far as the crystal empire is concerned - it is barely even canon, so the uniqueness of twilight's castle and the harmony tree remain

having one giant crystal tree to overlook ponyville and equestria is just perfect. praise alicorn princess of friendship twilight sparkle

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>and as far as the crystal empire is concerned - it is barely even canon
>> No. 36794457
>>36794455
Hey, shouldn't you be happy that your dislike for that episode is being validated by a fake religious leader?
>> No. 36794458
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I think we all agree that Twilight's castle looks like a gaudy piece of shit that's going to be an eyesore for us the entire season.
>> No. 36794459
>>36794458
I am wholeheartedly all about the Princess arc, and even I can agree that it was a shit idea to displace Twilight from her library. She doesn't belong in some ostentatious fucking castle.
>> No. 36794460
>>36794459

This show has a great reputation of not falling back on an episodic "status quo is God" formula and likes to switch it up with life-altering events. As bad as the castle looks, it is still just a building and though it may not be going away for sometime as it just showed up, the writers could make a way to get rid of it if they don't think it works within the show's formula or if they run out of ideas of what to do with it.


Heck, I'm partly wondering if they ever turn Twilight back into a unicorn sometime down the road. It sounds silly I know, but if Twilight comes up with a good reason for turning back to normal/giving up her royal title, I think it could work. I'm also not against her being a princess. I want whatever the writing calls for.

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>> No. 36794463
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>>36794459

Its pretty much 100% impossible, but I'd love for the castle to somehow go "Super level 2!" or some crap and turn into a less crappy looking castle.

Like I think bollox said earlier (I think it was him?) have the tree chandelier "Eat" the castle or something and become the primary design of it or something.



But know that's pretty much insanity to hope for something like that, as this is pretty clearly permanent, and they wouldn't introduce something just to change it on a whim so quickly.



>>36794457


My Hatred for the episode is for completely different reasons than the Empire existing. I actually LIKE the empire in concept, and in backstory (especially now that we know it exists pretty much in order to imprison the Umbra beneath it).

So, while its STILL my least favorite episode of the entire series, and I hate everything about TCE, I want the empire to continue existing.
>> No. 36794464
>>36794463

Maybe this week's episode was actually the first of a season-long arc of Twilight renovating her castle, room by room.

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>> No. 36794465
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>>36794464

The finale's villain is actually the castle, as it violently fights against twilight's attempts to make it go.
>> No. 36794467
>>36794464
But they just said that they'd decorated all the other rooms off-screen and then never show them.
>> No. 36794468
>>36794447
Personally, I like the design of the Harmony Tree.

However, the tree is nice as an emblem. Its entire construction seems aesthetically designed around image. The castle, on the other hand, is an ugly sack of shit designed by some guy in a fucking toy designing committee with absolutely no thought to architectural integrity, artistic flair, or even basic visual aesthetics.
>> No. 36794470
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>>36794454
Are you unable to accept the fact that people don't like something?

>an organic crystal tree is at least 20% cooler.
>20% cooler
>as far as the crystal empire is concerned - it is barely even canon
>praise alicorn princess of friendship twilight sparkle

Not sure if trolling or really this new to the fandom.
>> No. 36794471
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Honestly, I'm not even big on the "crystal" building designs generally. I can see the appeal of using translucent plastic for playsets (helps keep rooms bright), but that chunky, irregular, blocky, design of the buildings in the show strikes me as unpleasant. The playsets themselves have gone for a more Canterlot-y look with occasional clear walls: Why couldn't that have worked for the show designs?

Twilight's castle looks like a little castle has been lifted up then overrun by a flood of ugly crystal growing up the side, like they're in serious need of limescale remover.

A very small number of artists have made the Crystal Empire look cool to me, but generally by making it look more like elegant glass shards or
<more organic crystal.

Funnily enough, if you Google Image "tree castle", I'd say most of those results are designs that would fit better. Hell, even the scratching post ones fit better (at least the colours are subdued and natural)...

>>36794464
>Maybe this week's episode was actually the first of a season-long arc of Twilight renovating her castle, room by room.
That would be pretty funny! S5: Fixing the castle.

>>36794455
>>36794470
Must be trolling.
>> No. 36794472
>>36794460
you will never, never never have the show saying "being a princess is something you shouldnt like"

and dont forget that pretty much twilight said "i have chosen being a princess"(even she have no option)

so making her surrender to that would be pretty lame, specially because we had like what, 3 years which keep hamering "twilight is learning to be a princess, she is always sad or confuse because princesses"
>> No. 36794473
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no r u

>>36794471

i never parasprite - i create - i am a game master

>>36794472

she did have the option to be a princess - every time she made a choice throughout the seasons that aligned with friendship, she took another step in that direction, spontaneously culminating in her ascension to princesshood - her choice from the very first season premiere
>> No. 36794474
>>36794473
no because pinkie pie do friendship as well and she isnt closer to princess hood, or any of her friends which care about each other.

in fact, it have being told "it is destiny", they use the "is your destiny " card, which pretty much forces everybody to what the prophecy say.

She embrace what she have to do when she say "i will be the princess of friendship" but it wasnt because she choose to go into that direction, but because she was transformed just because "was her destiny", so pretty much she had no option

sure, you coudl say it was twilight desition at the end because she say "it is my choise", but no, it is her destiny, that is what happen when you play the "destiny" card, everything become meaningless because it is just like that because a bigger froce is saying "it have to be that way"

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>> No. 36794476
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your points initially seem solid, but a little-known fact about reality is that destiny is a result of ones choices - once ones choices reach critical mass, ones destiny becomes apparent at which point a pony makes the final decision to accept it or reject it and find a new destiny - twilight chose to accept it and become the princess of friendship

so as you see, it wasn't just something that was thrown into twilight's hooves and she had to make a decision: it was the result of years of study and friendship that got her to the point where she was able to see above the cloud-layer and see what she could become and twilight liked the glimpse she saw and chose to embrace this destiny that she consciously created
>> No. 36794477
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>>36794474

as far as pinkie and the other mane 6 go, pinkie pie is the element of laughter, so her destiny isn't going to be a princess of friendship; twilight's is magic (friendship is magic), so that's her destiny

pinkie pie will, however, probably become the princess of laughter in some future season
>> No. 36794480
>>36794476
i know destiny is supposed to be the result of events.

it doesnt matter if you die or live, what ever of the 2 happen, it was your destiny.

But the show is selling it as a phrophesy, twilight cutiemark is tatooed on the tree of harmony, so pretty much mean "this is the chosen one", when ever some one with this mark appear, it will solve everything because i say so.

and she do everything she do because the magic tree or even a superior force is saying so.

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>> No. 36794481
>>36794474

On one hand, yeah, Twilight in no way was planning on being a princess and it was entirely sprung on her by Celestia. I hesitate to use the phrased "forced into it" but it's difficult to look at the scene in Magical Mystery Cure and come up with a different conclusion.

However, it is well within Twilight's character for Celestia to say to Twilight to accept something and she does it without question. And one the reasons that MMC was so hotly debated and still is, is that Twilgiht was quite receptive of the role of Alicorn Princess. The only time we see her questioning if she was up to it was after the transformation. When she's like "Am I really up to the task of being a princess?" in Equestria Girls, and the S4 premiere/finale It's like "Tough titties, Twilight. You don't have a choice in the matter. You better get ready"

I know the real reason for the change: marketing n toys n stuff, but I'm trying to view all of this from an in-universe perspective.
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>>36794481
From the in-universe perspective.

why we think it was Celestia's plan?
and not the tree.
apparently the tree have more control over stuff we give it credit for.

It gave twilight a complete command center, and from there she send them on work for his dirty work of harmony.

So it knew about all the celestia, luna and twilight bussiness way back, and then it knew the mane 6, and then she send them to do stuff, and we dont know how, when, or interest of the tree or what ever force is over the tree controling everything.

we could say is the good version of "the door"
controling everything from the shadows, and making everybody else do its job, because even it look it isnt doing anything and other characters are working, in reality, is all part of his bigger plan.

or it end up being that the tree of harmony was the door all along, and is the Series finale when it rule over everything because have being controling everybody since the start of the show.
making twilight go into princess hood so later can corrupt her and like everybody love her it will be hard to get rid of her.
>> No. 36794483
>>36794480

no i don't think so - just because the elements are on the tree doesn't mean she has to be the princess of friendship: she could have given up her cutiemark and become an equal, but she chose not to - she can always change her mind any time she wants: just because an old tree has her cutiemark on it doesn't mean anything without her choices

>>36794481

her princesshood was the spontaneous result of her choices she made every day in ponyville: nopony chooses what the circumstances they're born with, but they can choose what to do with them, and twilight chose to make friends, which lead to her being faced with the decision of becoming a princess, which she accepted
>> No. 36794484
>>36794482

trees aren't evil - the tree of harmony is a reflection of the ponies' of the times dreams and aspirations, springing up from them

twilight sparkle is the natural continuation of these dreams in pony form - she is certainly a product of the past, but it's her choices that make her so - not the past alone: u can't force anypony to do something - that is slavery, not friendship
>> No. 36794485
>>36794483
is her destiny, she cant say no. because at the end of the day, she will say yes.

she cant change her mind because they claim that being a princess is her destiny

and that the old tree has her cutiemark means it is her destiny because i think it was mention on a book or something that the cutiemark on the tree mean it is going to be the chosen one.

that is what happen when you have a major force telling you what is going to happen, any kind of "free" will is gone, except if the prophecy end up being a lie, which in this case, it isnt.

>>36794484
just because it is controling everything from the shadows that doesnt mean it is evil.

except if it result to be the door (by the way, this of being the door is a joke)

PS, i think you are making up alot of that stuff.
>> No. 36794486
>>36794482
>why we think it was Celestia's plan?

That's simple. We talk about how much of an impact that fate or destiny had on Twilight transforming into an alicorn, but at the end of the day, Celestia was the one who made it happen. As for the tree of harmony, I don't have much of an explanation of why it gave Twilight a castle, but I think that will be revealed to us this season. We already got a pretty good idea of what it wants the mane six to do with the Cutie Map.

>>36794483

I'm just wondering what made her accept the role outside of Celestia's influence. When has she ever stated she wanted to be a princess before she became one?
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>>36794486
i think it is mention on some book or some where that celestia is the one who saw Twilights cutiemark on the tree, so she knew that would be the pony chosen one.

so it is because is on the tree's big plan, and we have stablish that the tree is sentiant, and it mision is to spread friendship around the world.
>> No. 36794488
>>36794484

>the tree of harmony is a reflection of the ponies' of the times dreams and aspirations, springing up from them

Is that from the Celestia/Luna book? Maybe I don't remember that line being spoken in the show, but I don't think where the tree of harmony's origins was ever touched on. I could be wrong though.
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>>36794485

that's ridiculous - twilight can say no whenever she wants. it's easy to sit behind a computer screen on Earth and say "this is her destiny because this is a children's show and hasbro would never have her betray her pony friends and they need to keep selling toys and ive seen a million shows like this before where the main characters follow the prophecies of magical trees" but keep in mind twilight doesn't know any of that, and even if she did, do you think it would change anything? i think saying such things says more about the pony sitting behind the computer than it does twilight

friendship is a powerful force - destiny is created by twilight's choices. if twilight became an equal, how do you know space and time wouldn't change to accommodate the fact? considering you're part of time itself, if twilight changed her mind and didn't want to become a princess anymore, you could be completely unaware of it, as time is linked to your memories, so when time changes, so would your memories...

tldr: twilight is best pony
>> No. 36794490
>>36794488

no - it's my headcannon
>> No. 36794491
>>36794489
but they say is her destiny, and not on a vague maner, but pretty much because is a mayor force telling so. and im not talking about the hasbro excecutive, but an in world force.

and no, when you have a prophecy, or a written destiny, there is not such thing as free will.

it isnt because she choosed, but because the tree say so.

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>> No. 36794492
>>36794487
The Princess Diary book is actually at my local library. Some time I will have to check it out.

>>36794490

Well like I said, I think this season may reveal more intentions about the castle and the Cutie Map, and as a result more information about the tree of harmony & the elements.
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>>36794473
>no r u
>i never parasprite - i create - i am a game master
>pinkie pie will, however, probably become the princess of laughter in some future season
>her princesshood was the spontaneous result of her choices she made every day in ponyville
>i think saying such things says more about the pony sitting behind the computer than it does twilight
>tldr: twilight is best pony

Yep, obvious troll is obvious.

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>> No. 36794499
>>36794491

lolno

>>36794492

the cutiemap is a manifestation of twilight's desires to spread friendship across equestria - it is not a guiding force - it is a manifestation of twilight's decision
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>>36794498

lolno

i am just too mentally advanced 4 u

get on my level
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>>36794477
>pinkie pie will, however, probably become the princess of laughter in some future season


I can pretty much guarantee that will never happen, to the point I'd more or less bet my left testicle.
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>>36794499
>the cutiemap is a manifestation of twilight's desires to spread friendship across equestria - it is not a guiding force - it is a manifestation of twilight's decision

Is that also head canon?
>> No. 36794520
>>36794517
His facts are so solid from his point of view because is his really stretched head cannon
>> No. 36794527
>>36794499
It didn't "manifest" until their plots were all on the thrones at the same time. Hard to see how it could be desire driven.
>> No. 36794529
>>36794517
>>36794520
>>36794527


Enlightened just really, really believes in his headcanon. its best to tune him out when he gets a bit crazy, he's not a bad guy besides that.
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>>36794529

gee, thanks anon - even though it's text... ive waited my whole life for somepony to say that about me ur a swell guy as well
>> No. 36794566
>>36794527

What places do you think the map will send them?
>> No. 36794590
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>>36794566

Las pegasus for that "special" time of the month. Rainbow dash Is in charge of picking destinations, like chippencolts.
>> No. 36794693
Is this the first time a good episode had a shitty song? Usually it's the inverse.
>> No. 36794696
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I still don't get everyone coming down on the song. Its loads better than stuff like My big brother or Bats, and I think it was nice.
>> No. 36794698
>>36794566
Down to Wacky Willy's for 20% off all value meals, but only for a limited time! I hope Toilet Sprinkles has to sit through a 30 second Matthew McConaughey Lincoln commercial before the map shows them anything. I hope the map has iOS updates or Adobe Flashplayer crashes.

>>36794696
This song absolutely leg sweeps any enjoyment I built up in the episode up until that point, and I have to start again.
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>>36794696
Hm, lemme put it this way, just for you. While the rest of the fandom was comparing it to Art of the Dress, I was struggling to find any differences between it and The Ballad of the Crystal Empire. Though I don't think that song was poorly received at the time, and though some of us here may like or dislike that song and its episode independently, at the very least you could say it makes Make This Castle a Home...unoriginal.
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>>36794699

alright, fair enough

>>36794698

/angrily judging intensifies

>Down to Wacky Willy's for 20% off all value meals, but only for a limited time! I hope Toilet Sprinkles has to sit through a 30 second Matthew McConaughey Lincoln commercial before the map shows them anything. I hope the map has iOS updates or Adobe Flashplayer crashes.


Nah man, its just going to ask them to pay for Gems with their credit cards first before it'll let them go on their adventures.
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>>36794698
>>36794700
"I'm Princess Twilight Sparkle, and this is my favorite store in Canterlot."
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In general, just about all songs in S3 and beyond have been kinda "meh" to me.

Not bad, just nowhere near as good as S1/S2.
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>>36794704
Yes.
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