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36794544 No. 36794544
Just thinking, it seems like starswirl is starting to seem more and more like MLP's version of Mr. Satan with the backstories they have going for him.

There's all these legends of him being this great unicorn hero, but it seems like the thing he's being most characterized by lately is failure, with his accomplishments not being as grand as they'd seem.


Take for example the comic's explanation for why he knew so many spells: he didn't COME UP with them himself; rather he traded and shared for them with a near infinite number of alternate universes; he's not a researcher, he's a trader. The one thing he did was make the magical mirrors.

Further, the comic's take on his defeat of the dazzles shows that it wasn't some awesome act of heroism on his part; he basically screwed around, failed alot, and then just pushed them into his magical mirror thinking "I can't do this, I hope the Human world can". He LITERALLY was banking on the human world solving his problem for him.

This isn't even a headcanon, the comic directly stated that his "defeat" of the dazzles wasn't a victory but a failure due to not understanding friendship.

Finally, when we come to the Journal of the two sisters, the climax of it is more or less about his inability to continue helping to raise and lower the sun, leading to him putting all his faith in Celestia and luna.



Its interesting: His claims to fame, of inventing spells and defeating the sirens, seem to be completely blown out of proportion heroics when he relied completely on a one trick pony ability with mirrors.

I wonder if Starswirl is intentionally meaning to be set up as a failure hero as his defining characteristic rather than a hero and supreme wizard :/
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>> No. 36794547
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>>36794544
>Take for example the comic's explanation for why he knew so many spells: he didn't COME UP with them himself; rather he traded and shared for them with a near infinite number of alternate universes; he's not a researcher, he's a trader. The one thing he did was make the magical mirrors.
Where did it say that that's the reason he learned so many spells? I remember it said he learned some things from other wizards, but I don't remember it saying that he learned all of his tricks besides the mirror or came up with all of the new spells from other worlds. And it seemed like he was getting more out of discovering other technology, food, and medicine from other worlds than he was discovering new magic.

>I wonder if Starswirl is intentionally meaning to be set up as a failure hero as his defining characteristic rather than a hero and supreme wizard :/
You think this is a coordinated effort by both the show staff (of which you only mentioned a work by one writer, Rogers) and the comic writers, the latter of which interact with each other on story ideas less than the show's staff and communicate with the show staff even less so (as in they may talk to each other if they're at the same convention and run into each other)?

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>> No. 36794548
>>36794544
the comic explain why he changed his dessign?

or is just a slightly retcon?
>> No. 36794549
>>36794544
that wasnt the tactic used on planet hulk?

oh no, hulk is to dangerous, but we cant cure him or kill him.
so lets just throw it to the space, so there the problem will be solved
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>>36794547

Starswirl was stated by Celestia to not understand friendship like Twilight did which was why he was never able to finish that final spell.

I actually think its likely that the staff might have stated a goal of making starswirl less perfect in the future when talking with the comic's staff.

I don't think its impossible that the staff might have communicated to the comic crew that they had a desire to make him seem more flawed in the future, and the comic staff could be taking that to what they view as a logical extreme.
>> No. 36794554
>>36794552
remember that the comic staff mostly talk to hasbro.

the comic staff saw the same episodes as you did, so maybe that is what they tried to do.

then they ask hasbro, and they said "yea, why not"
>> No. 36794556
So...Starswirl is like Equestria's Zefram Cochrane? That might be kinda cool, if we ever have a real time travel episode (and/or find Starswirl is still alive having sex with a ghost).
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>>36794552
That would make for an interesting idea. There's been a pretty clear parallel between Starswirl and Twilight in that they're both great at magic, are geniuses, have a close connection with the Sisters but the key difference between them is their understanding of friendship. As such, while he was hugely important to Equestria, he was limited, even dangerously so, as we've seen with how he unleashed the Dazzlings upon a helpless population and his failure to complete a spell resulted in a potentially catastrophic spell - both situations which were then rectified by Twilight. It would certainly be cool to see the Mane 6 encountering more of the failures/shortcomings of Starswirl and then fixing them because they have friendship.

Really it's a matter of how he's portrayed in the show. We only ever see Starswirl as a character in the comics and until the show really digs into Starswirl it's hard to say.
>> No. 36794617
Guys, what if EQ3 has human TS going to pony world to help Starswirl and they both learn the value of friends, in a sad way because it's not the real TS becoming friends with Starswirl

guys

listen
I'm serious
>> No. 36794655
>>36794617
but starswirl isnt dead wrap in plastic?
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>>36794655

We don't KNOW he's dead yet. While he's a normal pony that shouldn't be able to be alive by now, he ALSO was a pioneer of time travel spells, some of which apparently can de-age you if used improperly.


So its possible he accidentally sent himself through time or had a similiar occurence happen to keep him alive till now but out of the way.
>> No. 36794772
Am I the only one thinking it's a bit unfortunate that so many of Twilight's enormous successes are founded on the success of this dude?
>> No. 36794813
>>36794772
That's how science works though.
>> No. 36794922
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Here is a picture of Twilight meeting Starswirl the Bearded's direct descendant.
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>>36794922

that actually would be a very funny addendum to the lore; especially if they did an episode or comic where there was some artifact of starswirl's that would only work for someone of his bloodline and they had to put up with trixie as they attempted to get her to fix a problem.
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